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    if Israel & USA would Invade Iran and Kick The Islamic Regime out !! now Assad would have gone 1 Year ago like anywhere else !!
    the Source of These Bloodsheding its The Islamic Regime of IRAN !! Iranians Too Wanted Aid by West in 2009 Revolt !! but what the west did was seeing its profits & Benefits !! USA & European Union want their benefits in anything !! and they claim "DEMOCRACY" !! this word its a huge DECEPTION !!
    Missed opertunity to not aid the Iranian people for sure. Things would have looked a lot better if we would have. Not sure who exactly Iran is supporting Assad or the rebels, but they sure have a big hand under the skirt

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    Since when does democracy say anything about which foreign policy a nation has to follow?

    Europe doesn't even have enough weapons to help anyone, remember when we ran out of bombs in Libya?

    The only ones with enough explosives to do something are the USA and Israel, but Russia seems determined to stay with Assad.
    If you have a problem with the UN doing nothing, ask yourself why Russia vetoed every idea of doing anything and why any nations have to have veto rights in the first place. The UN should be more like the senate of the old republic but since people don't even like the EU, I suppose they would hate that even more. So instead we give some nations veto powers, make sure the UN never gets anything done and then complain that it never really does anything...


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    Oh god no, why would we want the old Republic's senate? They let a gungan give palpatine war powers for goodess sake!
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    Video of one of the strikes in Syria.


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    Since when does democracy say anything about which foreign policy a nation has to follow? “ Since when it didn’t? If a country policy is against your own interests, you bomb and invade. Ooops, sorry, you intervene and liberate…

    Europe doesn't even have enough weapons to help anyone, remember when we ran out of bombs in Libya?” Good opportunity to re-launch the production and to save jobs (and to make money: by the way, the French auto-proclaimed Socialist Party will soon enough privatise armament industry).

    If you have a problem with the UN doing nothing, ask yourself why Russia vetoed every idea of doing anything and why any nations have to have veto rights in the first place. The UN should be more like the senate of the old republic but since people don't even like the EU, I suppose they would hate that even more. So instead we give some nations veto powers, make sure the UN never gets anything done and then complain that it never really does anything...” They learned their lessons. Agree with deny fly zone then you’ve got a US base near your borders 2 years after…
    And try to have a UN resolution on Israel, and see who is vetoing…
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    I would be rather careful when it comes to stressing the religious ties between Iran and Syria. I've argued in the past that any Iranian support of Hamas was relatively unlikely due to their different religious backgrounds, however I feel that I would not do so again: I feel that in many cases, religion will adapt itself to the geopolitical reality of a certain region, and although it may exert some influence over the formulation and phrasing of certain political ideas, within states (and certainly in the post-colonial Middle-East) it doesn't play that big a role. I feel that many times, the Shi‘a-Sunni is utilised in order to create a dichotomy that is easy to understand and apply, but it doesn't really reflect the geopolitical reality.

    if Israel & USA would Invade Iran and Kick The Islamic Regime out !! now Assad would have gone 1 Year ago like anywhere else !!
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    I would be rather careful when it comes to stressing the religious ties between Iran and Syria.
    I recall reading that Syrian Alawites have, despite their Shia roots, over time become much more Sunni in their outlook. IIRC the article actually said they were all but indistinguishable from regular Syrian Sunnis (Salafists etc excluded).

    Wish I had the article to hand, but I don't.
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    Relax. Perhaps all is proceeding as planned

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr View Post
    I recall reading that Syrian Alawites have, despite their Shia roots, over time become much more Sunni in their outlook. IIRC the article actually said they were all but indistinguishable from regular Syrian Sunnis (Salafists etc excluded).

    Wish I had the article to hand, but I don't.
    Well, when it comes to actual practice, the differences between Shi'ites and Sunnites are pretty much neglectable. In its modern context, it's become much more a political allegiance than anything else.
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    Since when does democracy say anything about which foreign policy a nation has to follow?

    Europe doesn't even have enough weapons to help anyone, remember when we ran out of bombs in Libya?

    The only ones with enough explosives to do something are the USA and Israel, but Russia seems determined to stay with Assad.
    If you have a problem with the UN doing nothing, ask yourself why Russia vetoed every idea of doing anything and why any nations have to have veto rights in the first place. The UN should be more like the senate of the old republic but since people don't even like the EU, I suppose they would hate that even more. So instead we give some nations veto powers, make sure the UN never gets anything done and then complain that it never really does anything...
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    Missed opertunity to not aid the Iranian people for sure. Things would have looked a lot better if we would have. Not sure who exactly Iran is supporting Assad or the rebels, but they sure have a big hand under the skirt
    Iran supports Assad

    the Saudis support the Rebels

    why? Iran is Shia as is Assad, Saudi is Sunni as are most the rebels... a good old religious proxy war

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    It goes deeper than that, allthough much of it does seem to boil down to religious differences.

    IIRC Rafik Hariri (a Lebanese politician who was murdered) was a close friend of the Saudi royal family. Syrian involvement was always suspected, but I believe it was never proven.

    Syria was one of the few (the only one?) which didn't lend Iraq any help when it invaded Iran. Syria and Iran became progressively friendlier afterwards. Besides that the Syrian regime and Iran have no religious hostility between them, another obvious reason was that Iraq and Syria did not get along for the rather mundane reason that they both tried to achieve a leading role in the Arab world.

    Syria actively meddles in Lebanese affairs, but outside that I don't think they've tried to stir up the Shia in other Arab countries. Most gulf states, including Saudi Arabia, have Shia minorities under the boot. Iran does seem to take an active interest in these Shia, for which it is regarded with suspicion (and fear) by most of the Arab countries. Except Syria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    Missed opertunity to not aid the Iranian people for sure.
    The only support that would have made a difference in the 2009 revolt in Iran was armed intervention. Other sorts of support, moral and otherwise, were extended but the rebellion was squelched pretty quickly.

    Sometimes, foreign policy decisions come down to very simple metrics.

    How many dead Nederladers were you willing to pay to assist the cause of Iranian freedom?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
    The only support that would have made a difference in the 2009 revolt in Iran was armed intervention. Other sorts of support, moral and otherwise, were extended but the rebellion was squelched pretty quickly.

    Sometimes, foreign policy decisions come down to very simple metrics.

    How many dead Nederladers were you willing to pay to assist the cause of Iranian freedom?
    Yeah that's a tricky question. But the Dutch army also lost troops in Iraq and Afghanistan while they could have been fighting Iran, which would have made more sense on the long term. Iranians are no donkey-herders they are our natural allies

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    Missed opertunity to not aid the Iranian people for sure. Things would have looked a lot better if we would have. Not sure who exactly Iran is supporting Assad or the rebels, but they sure have a big hand under the skirt
    Its For Sure ISlamic Republic (DONT SAY IRAN !!) Supports Assad !! Assad is Shia And Their puppet ! ISlamic Republic Of Iran Has Significant Benefits & Profits in Syria !!
    Why Russia & China Vetoed the UN ?! Why They Specially Russia Support Assad ?!! Because Islamic Republic Bribes Them !! Assad Has Nothing for Russia !! only It Is Iran That will do anything at all cost to dont let Assad Fall !! I Dont know why you dont know these !!!!!

    And Hey! If you say Europe & USA dont want to cost anything for Iran!! let me tell you that they brought this cruel Islamist bloodthirsty totalitarian dictatorial regime !! it was i think 1953 that USA & Britain Removed The Beloved pacificist & Democracy bringer: Mosaddeq with a military Coup designed by CIA & MI6 because their profits & Benefits were in danger by him in Times of Pahlavi Dynasty !! he wanted a free & Advanced Iranian but they wanted Iran as a Profit Machine tool & Be Slaved for them !! and when they saw Mohamad Reza SHAH dont want to tribute USA & Britain anymore, they arranged & designed a Islamic Revolution & Brought Khomeini to power in 1979!!(as we see they made a huge mistake that Khomeini rfuse to serve US & Britain anymore and destroyed all of its enemies & Killed lots of Innocent people and stablized a killer regime!)
    have you forgotten US & Europe Colonization in world !??
    have you forgotten Vietnam ?
    Do you Know They (Imperialism of US & Britain & Europe) splited Deutschland teroritories and Specially Kurdistans Independence Gaved to 4 Racist & Cruel Criminal of Turks & Arabs & Persians in Treaty of Severe in 1920??
    and .................. will be too much to tel !! just wanna say that Imperialists governments of Europe & USA want Benefit & Controling Minds of People !! DEMOCRACY is a huge Deception and JOKE !! now the Direct Colonization has ended and the mind colonization has been started !! the example is the Hollywood !!!
    i have much more to tell with proof but this place is too small to tell all the truth !!

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    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opi...200437919.html
    Exactly !! The New Middle East Designing By The Zionists Israel !! The Grand Master of USA !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire Of Kurdistan-Medya View Post
    have you forgotten US & Europe Colonization in world !??
    No!! Have you forgotten the use of a full stop/period!??

    It's nice of you to join our discussion but I think you're being a bit extreme.
    You tell us that we know not enough about the region you come from and then claim to know exactly what our governments are up to and how bad they really are. I could just as easily claim that you don't know enough about democracy to know whether it is a deception or not.


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    No!! Have you forgotten the use of a full stop/period!??

    It's nice of you to join our discussion but I think you're being a bit extreme.
    You tell us that we know not enough about the region you come from and then claim to know exactly what our governments are up to and how bad they really are. I could just as easily claim that you don't know enough about democracy to know whether it is a deception or not.
    oh Really ?!! so you know more Huh ?!! i told only a bit JUST A "BIT" of their colonization(Vietnam-Coups in Iran & Fall of democracy-engineering an Islamic Revolution-Backtracking the Treaty & Promises & Betraying The KURDs & Torning them to 4 Great Criminal Dictators) That this was only for the US and still i didnt told about the old fox Britain!! if i would be Face To Face i could tell you all in here its not capable to tell all, but the most funny & Intresting is, you cant believe those !! because i brought you Proof but your Eyes And Ears are Closed and your mind controlled !! i didnt refer to you but those governments not your governments !! they are the 1% percent controlling the world and engineering its future and you just exist!! we are nothing against them!! you in so called "1st World" just have almost NO WORRY about your life!! the material matters are fixed and developed year by year for you!! you dont know what is going on in other part of the world !! and its not important for you!! because you live in a comfort worry-free Life and if comes to you you will run of it!! why should the colonizations of Imperialists be important for you ?! FreeMasons & Zionists have the world for 200 years in secrecy!! they created the World War I & II!! you think that 2012 the Armagedon or The End, was a joke !!? no no!! that was the beginning of a great "NEW WORLD ORDER" !!
    jonathan Cook wrote in 2008 that The Grand Master Of USA & Britain, Israel would create an Arab Spring that and Syrian Civil War to weaken the whole middle east !! then the Inflation and Social Disobedience will be Started In Iran!! Then Maybe we Call it the Third WORLD WAR started that not only middle east but korea ,Russia ,Armenia,Japan,China and.....will be involved!! afterward, the maps of world specially the middle east will be very much Changed !!
    and manyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy writers and western Theorists that telling about the The ELITE and The NEW WORLD ORDER and Creating So called Better world !!
    there can be seen the truth!! but despite controlling you dont want to see !! dont want to get it !!
    And Excuse me to Be So Straight ! i dont hate you or your people !! i hate those that sheds the blood of innocents and colonize the world and controlling the world and call themeselves THE BRIGHTER WORLD !! The Savior Of Humanity!!(Like What They Infuse to us by the HollyWood Movies)
    Hope For Freedom and Peace in Humanity !!
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    Come to think of it Hax, was I really wrong and aren't there in fact 5 as Mohammed was the first. Don't hit me if I am wrong, I'm not sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire Of Kurdistan-Medya View Post
    oh Really ?!! so you know more Huh ?!! i told only a bit JUST A "BIT" of their colonization(Vietnam-Coups in Iran & Fall of democracy-engineering an Islamic Revolution-Backtracking the Treaty & Promises & Betraying The KURDs & Torning them to 4 Great Criminal Dictators) That this was only for the US and still i didnt told about the old fox Britain!! if i would be Face To Face i could tell you all in here its not capable to tell all, but the most funny & Intresting is, you cant believe those !! because i brought you Proof but your Eyes And Ears are Closed and your mind controlled !! i didnt refer to you but those governments not your governments !! they are the 1% percent controlling the world and engineering its future and you just exist!! we are nothing against them!! you in so called "1st World" just have almost NO WORRY about your life!! the material matters are fixed and developed year by year for you!! you dont know what is going on in other part of the world !! and its not important for you!! because you live in a comfort worry-free Life and if comes to you you will run of it!! why should the colonizations of Imperialists be important for you ?! FreeMasons & Zionists have the world for 200 years in secrecy!! they created the World War I & II!! you think that 2012 the Armagedon or The End, was a joke !!? no no!! that was the beginning of a great "NEW WORLD ORDER" !!
    jonathan Cook wrote in 2008 that The Grand Master Of USA & Britain, Israel would create an Arab Spring that and Syrian Civil War to weaken the whole middle east !! then the Inflation and Social Disobedience will be Started In Iran!! Then Maybe we Call it the Third WORLD WAR started that not only middle east but korea ,Russia ,Armenia,Japan,China and.....will be involved!! afterward, the maps of world specially the middle east will be very much Changed !!
    and manyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy writers and western Theorists that telling about the The ELITE and The NEW WORLD ORDER and Creating So called Better world !!
    there can be seen the truth!! but despite controlling you dont want to see !! dont want to get it !!
    And Excuse me to Be So Straight ! i dont hate you or your people !! i hate those that sheds the blood of innocents and colonize the world and controlling the world and call themeselves THE BRIGHTER WORLD !! The Savior Of Humanity!!(Like What They Infuse to us by the HollyWood Movies)
    Hope For Freedom and Peace in Humanity !!
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