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    Default Re: U.S. Ambassador and three others killed in Libya.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lemur
    How much danger are we willing to tolerate for our diplomats? How much security is enough? What's the cost/risk assessment of putting a diplomat on the ground in an unstable situation? What's the cost of not putting someone on the ground? What's the cost of turning our embassies and consulates into fortresses? What functions do we want them to serve, and are we getting return on that investment?
    So, if warning signs of an attack were ignored... that's not worthy of discussion? If political priorities overrode the truth in the aftermath of the attacks, that's a non-issue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiahou View Post
    I'm just trying to understand your position here, because based on how I understand it, it's mystifying.
    We are on the same page then, for I find your credulity confounding.

    There is no coherent narrative of this conspiracy theory. That is why the rightwing echo-chamber is unable to get the rest of the nation to take this seriously. You cannot even answer the simplest of questions: Who benefits from this conspiracy?

    It certainly looks as though State massaged their talking points to avoid talking about terrorism. This is, at absolute best, a venal sin. And it certainly doesn't rise to the threshold of Watergate plus Iran Contra times ten.

    Nor do I hear anyone even attempting to explain why we are paying so much attention to Benghazi, and so little to any of the other confirmed terror attacks on consulates and embassies. Nor is anyone talking about restoring the cuts made to embassy security. It's very, very hard to take this incoherent ginned-up outrage seriously.

    The relentless focus on Benghazi, without any attempt to talk seriously about consulate security or force protection ... well, it's a bit nihilist. Okay, a lot nihilist.

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    P.S.: If you're hungry for an Obama scandal, and you aren't picky (and anybody on the Benghazi train is clearly not choosy), then try this on for size. Much better scandal, much better documented, a clear case of cui bono, and the appearance of serious wrongdoing. I mean, sheesh. Y'all should be a lot more discriminating about which scandals you choose to elevate to Watergate Plus Iran Contra Times Ten.
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    The thing with Benghazi is that there were plenty of warning signs that were not heeded. By far the biggest warning sign was the fact that every other nation that had consulates there had been long gone for at least 4 months due to the security situation, so for that reason alone you have to wonder why the Americans stayed when everyone else left. Another problem is that how on earth did the attackers no where the safe house was? That is a big security breach for that to happen. Those two reason are very big and they need to be resolved, which so far they haven't.

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    That anyone can make any sense out of this is mystifying in and of itself.
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