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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube View Post
    The best outcome would be for the rebels to win and install some kind of representative system, even if that system winds up being Islamist. At least that way, a few decades later when they're all regretting it, they'll have themselves to blame and not an outside oppressor...
    Right, let's throw the minorities under the bus, after all it's not you who will be suffering under the islamist yoke. Great idea.
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    The Baath parties of Syria and Iraq didn't get along very well, you know...
    The Ba'ath party has socialist revolutionary roots. If you can point to a single such group who hasn't fractured I will lick your boots clean.

    The USSR split with China. Was there a terribly big difference between the internal politics in the two countries? Nope. Neither is there much of a difference between Assad and Saddam. Saddam adopted an "Iraq first"-policy which lead to aggressive foreign relations, but unless you're claiming support based on foreign policy(which rvg does not) that does not matter one bit.

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    Right, let's throw the minorities under the bus, after all it's not you who will be suffering under the islamist yoke. Great idea.
    ....And with that you just invalidated your own position, since it's certainly not you(and not your "group" either) who suffers under Assad's yoke.
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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    ...And with that you just invalidated your own position, since it's certainly not you(and not your "group" either) who suffers under Assad's yoke.
    Under Assad everyone aside from Assad's inner circle is lacking in political rights. Everyone. If Assad is replaced by the islamist rabble, the minorities will suffer disproportionately. And when I say "suffer" I mean ethnic cleansing level of suffering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    Under Assad everyone aside from Assad's inner circle is lacking in political rights. Everyone. If Assad is replaced by the islamist rabble, the minorities will suffer disproportionately. And when I say "suffer" I mean ethnic cleansing level of suffering.
    .....you mean like what Assad is trying to do to the rebels now?
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    .....you mean like what Assad is trying to do to the rebels now?
    Killing rebels on the battlefield is not ethnic cleansing. If you wanna talk ethnic cleansing, let's discuss a specific example. Besides, aren't the rebels supposed to be the "good guys"? Why are you so eager to replace Assad with someone who is no better?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    Killing rebels on the battlefield is not ethnic cleansing. If you wanna talk ethnic cleansing, let's discuss a specific example. Besides, aren't the rebels supposed to be the "good guys"? Why are you so eager to replace Assad with someone who is no better?
    Over the years, and especially in my younger days, I've discussed and argued a lot with people who defend Stalin(and a few who defend Mao).

    It amuses me to see you using the exact same arguments and logic as they do.



    As for myself, I've gown tired of arguing with people who defend bloody and tyrannical mass-murderers. You get to a point where you just can't be bothered anymore. I limit myself to reading other people write of how they've argued with people who defend bloody and tyrannical mass-murderers.
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    Over the years, and especially in my younger days, I've discussed and argued a lot with people who defend Stalin(and a few who defend Mao).

    It amuses me to see you using the exact same arguments and logic as they do.



    As for myself, I've gown tired of arguing with people who defend bloody and tyrannical mass-murderers. You get to a point where you just can't be bothered anymore. I limit myself to reading other people write of how they've argued with people who defend bloody and tyrannical mass-murderers.
    But of course, why bother with facts on the ground when labels are so much more convenient...
    "And if the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war and not popularity seeking. If they want peace, they and their relatives must stop the war." - William Tecumseh Sherman

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