Sorry From CA - Current State of the Game and What Happens Next

[Hooahguy]

As mentioned before in other places, the 2% statistic seems a bit suspicious, but Im glad that they are aware of the situation and trying to make amends.

[BroskiDerpman]

It's almost as if this was all pre-planned to be honest with you guys.

[Hooahguy]

It's almost as if this was all pre-planned to be honest with you guys.

I definitely think that the dev team knew there were problems on release, they cant be that blind to think that it was flawless. At least for the gameplay bugs. Its almost impossible to ensure a game as technically complicated as this one is to be 100% compatible on every system, so they most likely are going to ensure that everyone can actually play the game while working on/fixing the most glaring gameplay problems, then work on the AI and other gameplay related problems. Its a sensible approach. Do I wish the problems were addressed before, even if it took another month or two to release? Absolutely. But they released the game not fully finished and now we got to deal with it.

[BroskiDerpman]

*It's almost as if they pre-planned an apology.

Plus it's not just graphics bugs, it's the gameplay mechanics, balance, and authenticity in which they screwed up on.

(Not counting ai or other numerous bugs)

[easytarget]

*It's almost as if they pre-planned an apology.

Plus it's not just graphics bugs, it's the gameplay mechanics, balance, and authenticity in which they screwed up on.

(Not counting ai or other numerous bugs)

Exactly. What's wrong with Rome 2 can't be fixed, it's at the core of the game itself and is the result of a slew of bad design decisions. And what's wrong with it can't be patched or modded into correction. This is as far away from the Shogun 2 masterpiece as you could possibly make a game imho. Disappointment doesn't even begin to describe what I feel about this game.

[Hooahguy]

Exactly. What's wrong with Rome 2 can't be fixed, it's at the core of the game itself and is the result of a slew of bad design decisions. And what's wrong with it can't be patched or modded into correction. This is as far away from the Shogun 2 masterpiece as you could possibly make a game imho. Disappointment doesn't even begin to describe what I feel about this game.

Ehhhh..... I disagree. Even with a few mods it made the game a lot more enjoyable for me. The technical stuff can be fixed, and a few other things Im sure will be fixed/modded. The AI probably will stay pretty dumb, but thats a TW game for you.

But it really comes down to preference. I couldnt play more than 3 hours of Shogun 2 before I had to put it away, and I can see myself playing Rome 2 for a long time to come. While for you its the opposite. All about preference.

[Sp4]

I hate Shogun 2's setting, I hate the way it looks half the time but for co operative play, it's miles better than Rome2 right now. Mostly because the AI turns literally take 10 minutes (I've stopped the time, it's literally 10 minutes of waiting after each turn) and because the main playable factions are so far away from each other than co operative play just isn't really there, unless you play Greeks all the time.

[easytarget]

Ehhhh..... I disagree. Even with a few mods it made the game a lot more enjoyable for me. The technical stuff can be fixed, and a few other things Im sure will be fixed/modded. The AI probably will stay pretty dumb, but thats a TW game for you.

But it really comes down to preference. I couldnt play more than 3 hours of Shogun 2 before I had to put it away, and I can see myself playing Rome 2 for a long time to come. While for you its the opposite. All about preference.

There's a lot more than mere preference going on in the forums right now my friend. This is not just a case of I like chocolate ice cream and you like vanilla.

[Vuk]

2%? IF they are even being honest, that is 2% officially reporting their problems, not 2% experiencing problems. For all you know, 40-50% of RII owners are experiencing major technical problems.

It was so obvious in the weeks leading up to its release that it was an unfinished game. Why didn't they just postpone its release? They could have still shipped out the same discs and boxes and just had Steam automatically update the game when it was released. Don't they know what a killjoy it is to be promised an awesome game and find out that you are an unwilling beta tester?

[CaptainCrunch]

2%? IF they are even being honest, that is 2% officially reporting their problems, not 2% experiencing problems. For all you know, 40-50% of RII owners are experiencing major technical problems.

Exactly. No way in Hell do they release a formal apology about the condition of their game, or put someone on 24hr tech support at the official forum, if they truly believed that only 2% of their sales are being affected by problems. The fact that they even tried to pass that off as true is grimey.

I hope this little statement of contrition is sincere and they're prepared to not only sort out the game's technical problems, but to address all the major gameplay concerns. Otherwise this release will end up being an unmitigated disaster for them in the long run. There are only so many times you can fool people before they realize they're wasting money on your products... even the suckers.

[BroskiDerpman]

Modding can only do so much to a highly flawed base game.

If I use Shogun 2 as an example (It's a decent TW game if you aren't too Western biased) the technical stuff was only fixed to a certain point, the unit balance wasn't really paid much attention to except for over nerfing, over buffing or extreme cost efficiency.

Plus Napoleon, and Empire can be used as examples too in which the mods barely patched up the poorly made games.

Mods will not fix things such as default running as if you could it would be already done in Shogun 2.

If ai is dumb then get it fixed instead of rehashing it again and again. CA left the ai unoptimised in Shogun 2 and HedgeKnight had to tweak it, CA could've done that and more if they spent some time and they could do it faster as they're full time.

Oh have fun and be sure to spam all heavy infantry in campaign for me. XD

Oh as of now mods are needed to patch the game instead of fleshing it out, 4tpy is a patch, better combat is also a patch. Cosmetics are patches... Things that vanilla game lacks dearly and needs so bad.

[Monk]

I am the 2%.

[AntiDamascus]

As a game producer, I would assume you stick to hard deadlines and release a game with bugs or other issues and try to fix them later. You'll make more money that way. SimCity taught us you can release a game with more bugs than a backyard and people will buy it in droves as long as you "fix it".

[Vuk]

Yeah, short term. Long term though, that puts people out of business. Took me two games to learn my lesson, but I did. They are not getting my money till they start releasing quality games again.

[Sp4]

It's almost as if this was all pre-planned to be honest with you guys.

Seems like it, right? It feels an awful lot like they released the beta and are now completing the game ^^

[BroskiDerpman]

SPARTANS!!! March in one big line and kill everything!

Even graphics wise the game is quite unfinished even compared to Shogun 2 on release.

Yet people keep on trying to tell me on Steam to get the game because "It's awesome", "Well made", "Really fun since it's Rome".

Not going to fall for buying an clearly unfinished alpha version that clearly requires a ton of more work which is now going to be dlcs, and some performance patches. (If CA's balance attempts for Shogun 2 says something)

[lars573]

As mentioned before in other places, the 2% statistic seems a bit suspicious, but Im glad that they are aware of the situation and trying to make amends.

Not really. Sales data combined with the numbers reporting the technical issues. It's very straight forward.

[HopAlongBunny]

It is what it is.
As the latest product from a company, it is the clearest statement they can make on what matters to them

[sassbarman]

I blame this whole debacle on those two boobs from rally point.