Re: "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools" - Romans 1:22
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Re: "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools" - Romans 1:22
It might be obvious but I thought I would point out a lil something.
The confirmation for global climate change, ice-cap reduction and so on seem to come from science journals;
The denial comes from the "pundit-sphere" ie: ppl who get paid to fill column inches.
Which is the more reliable source of information? I have my guesses you may make your own.
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Re: "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools" - Romans 1:22
As ever, follow the money.
There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.
“Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy.”
To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.
"The purpose of a university education for Left / Liberals is to attain all the politically correct attitudes towards minorties, and the financial means to live as far away from them as possible."
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Lulz, this is why I don't watch tv. It amazes me that there are still people who think the state-journal is really a journal. Pure agitprop yesterday, people who make money with lying about the climate sure have loyal talking heads
Looks you serious in the eye, the WARMING is DRAMATIC. We MUST ACT. That the earth isn't warming up but cooling down doesn't bother them at all. Repeat repeat keep repeating that we are all going to dieeeeehieeee
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Re: "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools" - Romans 1:22
Accusations that climate science is money-driven reveal ignorance of how science is doneOriginally Posted by InsaneApache
Re: "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools" - Romans 1:22
Well our Prime Ministers father-in-law is doing very nicely out of it, as are a lot of politicians and their mates.
A huge re-distribution of wealth from the poor to the rich is going on as we speak. Like I said, follow the money.
There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.
“Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy.”
To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.
"The purpose of a university education for Left / Liberals is to attain all the politically correct attitudes towards minorties, and the financial means to live as far away from them as possible."
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Let see now. Corrupt politicians and scientists (most of them obviously) are proposing taxing heavy industry like the oil industry. This heavy industry obviously takes no damage at all since they can simply pass on the higher prices to the costumers (us poor). Those extra taxes are then sent to smaller industries (like solar power), who gets all that money so they can teleport the money back in time to bribe all those politicians and scientists, so the politicians can set up those money making rules in the first place.
Nope, not seeing it. Minor corruption sure, but the large scale needed here no.
And that wealth distribution isn't exactly linked to green policies.
We are all aware that the senses can be deceived, the eyes fooled. But how can we be sure our senses are not being deceived at any particular time, or even all the time? Might I just be a brain in a tank somewhere, tricked all my life into believing in the events of this world by some insane computer? And does my life gain or lose meaning based on my reaction to such solipsism?
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I am still amazed at the projection of some people. It's not the oil and coal industries spending money to keep their multi billion dollar industries going in the face of information they're damaging the earth. It's those scientists getting government kickbacks and bribes to get everyone to switch to solar and wind power..... because!"
It's like those poor tobacco companies trying to combat those vicious lies from people who want you to be "healthy".
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You're having a giraffe mate....And that wealth distribution isn't exactly linked to green policies.
There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.
“Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy.”
To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.
"The purpose of a university education for Left / Liberals is to attain all the politically correct attitudes towards minorties, and the financial means to live as far away from them as possible."
Re: "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools" - Romans 1:22
PRATT
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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The politicians are corrupt, so the scientists must be corrupt too!
It is a rather extraordinary claim to say that thousands of scientists (and the clear majority) are faking it and have been doing it for decades. A vague "follow the money" does not count for much, but it sure does make it easy to dismiss anything one does not like.
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Yea like I said, it seems like projection.
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Funny: Greenpeace activist who got busted by the Russian marine after being a nuissance at an oil platform has a problem. Her cell is so cold. Head of Greenpeace Netherlands is not pleased and wants Russia to raise the temperature in her cell. Oh sweet irony that would mean having to use more recources from Gazprom. The funniest part is that the irony is completily lost to them, they just can't see it.
Bored rich kids. Goes to show, it is something WE should do, but don't mess with their comfortable bliss. Gotta love bored rich kids with IDEALS
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Haha, I get it! It's cold in places up north so climate change is a myth! That comedy...... whoa knee-slapper.
Oh oh, I got another one. It's gonna snow up here soon. Climate change right? Because those "scientists" said it was gonna be 90 degrees forever everywhere and then it wasn't right? HAHAHAHAHAHA, oh man. I need a minute.
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Well as all their predictions have failed to materialise over the last 25 years you'd have to be one of the hard of thinking not to become skeptical.
There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.
“Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy.”
To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.
"The purpose of a university education for Left / Liberals is to attain all the politically correct attitudes towards minorties, and the financial means to live as far away from them as possible."
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Oh just admit it, you hate earth.
To put it less gently, you have to be a complete total idiot if you believe the lies of the church of global warming. B b b but it's SCIENCE. No you idiot it's money & piety
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It's not putting your head in the sand, it's simply not happening. The temperature not rising is just a minor detail of course for the Green Khmar who need an industrial-caused apocalypse, lobby's who make money with it, and the emission-trade mafia and their pyramide scam
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World War 3.
"Topic is tired and needs a nap." - Tosa Inu
Re: "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools" - Romans 1:22
Sorta offtopic:
Can anyone tell me why they disagree with a theoretical idea of a Carbon Tax?
Re: "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools" - Romans 1:22
IPCC model global warming projections have done much better than you think
Or is it something else you think about?
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Yeah, why that somehow is a source when it suits you. The methods of the IPCC has long been proven wrong, their prediction-models are off and their motivatvations and afilliations are highly questionable.
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With the exaggerations and inaccurate information that has come out of the IPCC these last few years I'd rather read Noddy goes to Toytown. At least then I know I'm reading fiction.
Still If you tell a lie often enough.....
Nearly but not quite a Godwin.
There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.
“Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy.”
To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.
"The purpose of a university education for Left / Liberals is to attain all the politically correct attitudes towards minorties, and the financial means to live as far away from them as possible."
Re: "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools" - Romans 1:22
aha, more vagueness then. One can get rid of IPCC and their models and yet one can't get rid of the science behind it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ6Z04VJDco
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Where have you been all my life?
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Re: "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools" - Romans 1:22
It's the Have I Got News For You syndrome. Brits in particular think it's cool to dismiss politics, academical studies and other intellectually demanding stuff by reeling off a one line witticism, frequently in the form of "well, what do you expect from (insert tangential smear here)". Jon Stewart has introduced it to the US as well, but it's more established in the UK. Stewart at least has the saving grace of explicitly wanting more intellectual rigour in political discussion, but the HIGNFY crew don't even have that.
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It is more distrust of authority. All authority must be questioned with good reason, and if they are acting in good in good faith, then the evidence will speak for itself. Unfortunately, whilst this sentence is good and no objections, some people interpret it as distrust everyone deeply' and innocent people end up under-fire whilst heavily for doing nothing wrong. It is a growing sense of individual cynicism which is spreading through society along with apathy, truth is, they don't really care that much. Could be the age old "Oh who cares about recycling, it is only one person, stuff the council", they fail to realise a great many others are just like that, so it isn't 'just one person' but a few thousand. They abstract themselves from society as if they are something special compared to the rest.
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Re: "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools" - Romans 1:22
HIGNFY has made it easy to dismiss authority though, by popularising the one liner followed by a knowing look and the applause and thus approval of the gallery. While I've been entertained by the programme, I've never taken it as my guide for how to view the world. I've always taken more from my education, which while I accept has not given me the knowledge to answer these questions well, has at least given me the ability to recognise the difference between good methodology and bad. If I do not have the knowledge to answer a question, I at least know what adequate treatment of evidence is and reasonable conclusions drawn from arguments thereof, and what rhetorical tricks are used to evade them. Even if I don't have all the information, I do recognise relevant information when I see it, and I mostly recognise where there are gaps. I favour arguments based on what evidence there is, even with uncertain and incomplete conclusions, versus arguments made principally on speculation based on these gaps.
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The denial of science is quite a fascinating topic. Motivated reasoning is, just like the Dark Side of the Force, quicker, easier and more seductive.
I have already posted a couple of the links in earlier threads:
The Science of Why We Don't Believe Science
Conservative Trust Of Science At All Time Low, Study Confirms Chris Mooney Thesis
Roots of (scientific) denial
And just to be clear: science denial can be found on both sides of the political spectrum, but, at least in the USA, it sure does look like the Republicans take the top prize.
Re: "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools" - Romans 1:22
@CBR , I recommend you watch Brian Cox's Science Britannica, he goes into the whole portrayal of the distrust of Science, going back to its early days and great novel works such as Frankenstein monster which was based on the early works of electricity being the source of life and how it could bring a dead person back to life.. which in modern terms is widely known and accepted as a Defibrillation.
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"We are living in space-age times but there's too many of us thinking with stone-age minds" | How to spot a Humanist
"Men of Quality do not fear Equality." | "Belief doesn't change facts. Facts, if you are reasonable, should change your beliefs."
Re: "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools" - Romans 1:22
Thanks. The evil BBC does not allow stupid foreigners to watch it on their site, but I have found it on YT.
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