(Not) UN on Sinterklaas: Yep, we are guilty.

[Fragony]

Black people celebrate it themselve it is totally harmless. In our tradition they are black because they are going down chimneys to deliver the presents. They are really the ravens of Wodan though, hijacked pagan stuff.

Edit I forgot, screw their list and screw them, catch somethin for me please.

[CountArach]

Black people celebrate it themselve it is totally harmless. In our tradition they are black because they are going down chimneys to deliver the presents. They are really the ravens of Wodan though, hijacked pagan stuff.

Then that will be calmly related to the UN and they will let you go.

You just want to be angry at the One World Government for putting white people like you down. This is nothing.

[Fragony]

Then that will be calmly related to the UN and they will let you go.

You just want to be angry at the One World Government for putting white people like you down. This is nothing.

Bein extremily annoyed is just as bad as slightly angry. Same thing. The same day they as for 400 troops among some are special forces and apaches. Same UN, same day

In Mali by the way. I haven't heard of it either.

[Husar]

This is just the racism inherent in Drutch culture and the chimneys and ravens are just excuses to appease those who criticize it.
I think it's time to talk about reparations. You got away in the other thread because the English were more numerous but this time you will have to pay for mocking the slaves you created. The only mitigating factor are your colonial wares like Kokosbrood, I'm willing to negotiate if I get some.

[Fragony]

The association doesn't exist outside a few (payed) organisations. It's totally harmless it has nothing to do with slavery whatsoever. Would they still celebrate in our former colonies if it was?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Black crows = Pagan origin.

Sinterklaus = blackened by chimney soot.

? = blackened, big red lips, and "fuzzy wuzzy" hair.


I get it Frags, that you and your fellow Niederlunders may view it as nothing but a harmless frolic, but I don't see how anybody can think that the current iteration isn't, at the least, playing off a racist stereotype.

A Caucasian child showing up, dressed in that same getup you describe, at the front door of most homes in the USA this Halloween would not be getting as much candy and might be asked to leave and go ask their parents why they were not getting anything this year.

[Fragony]

Watch the vid, they also celebrate it in our former colonies http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LJeUye3...%3DLJeUye3zZnU

A few professional activists have a problem, they start wining evey year

[Beskar]

It used to be similar elsewhere, but they changed it to 'Elves' because they saw the inherent issue.