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    That still doesn't answer the question of which country should take the torch of leadership in the free world. I'd venture a guess that there will be no takers.
    The concept is Oxymoronic. America lead the Free World during the Cold War because of its overwhelming military might, having deliberately beggared Britain and France, undermined our economies, dismantled our Empires, bound us to you be debt. America was never the Good Guy - you were the Big Guy who was preferable to the Ruskies.

    Now the ruskies are no longer such a terrible threat - we no longer need you to "lead us".

    What, you thought it was a moral thing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    The concept is Oxymoronic. America lead the Free World during the Cold War because of its overwhelming military might...
    Is that a bad thing?

    ...having deliberately beggared Britain and France, undermined our economies, dismantled our Empires, bound us to you be debt.
    Interesting. Did we provoke the entire African continent to start an independence movement? Was it us who stirred up India or Indochina? You bear the responsibility for losing your empires, we had no hand in that. We didn't stand to gain anything from your losses.

    America was never the Good Guy - you were the Big Guy who was preferable to the Ruskies.
    WWI comes to mind. We joined in strictly to help out...

    Now the ruskies are no longer such a terrible threat - we no longer need you to "lead us".
    No problem, we are not holding anyone hostage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    Interesting. Did we provoke the entire African continent to start an independence movement? Was it us who stirred up India or Indochina? You bear the responsibility for losing your empires, we had no hand in that. We didn't stand to gain anything from your losses.
    you definitely had a hand in it, and so had russia.


    WWI comes to mind. We joined in strictly to help out...
    so russia wouldnt take it all :/


    No problem, we are not holding anyone hostage.
    you kinda are, although not at gunpoint.

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    What did Robespierre know about freedom? He was too busy harvesting heads. The man was a bloodthirsty tyrant who had guillotined thousands of innocent people.”: That is the story developed by his enemies and the reasons they gave to justify their actions. Unfortunately, it is the shared (by false) representation of his actions, Not that he didn’t killed (his policy) some people, but they were far from being innocents. But that is another debate.

    Was it us who stirred up India or Indochina? You bear the responsibility for losing your empires, we had no hand in that. We didn't stand to gain anything from your losses.” I don’t know for India but for Indochina I have some lights and, err, yes, USA wanted to make the pacific a big Mare Nostrum (and succeeded). Yes, USA did support Vietminh against the French until Korean War (Major Patty’s mission). As the matter of losing our Empires, that was a good thing, even if my father was one of the soldiers fighting to keep it.

    WWI comes to mind. We joined in strictly to help out...” Joining the winners…

    No problem, we are not holding anyone hostage”… Right… Asked Allende and several South American Countries their opinions about it… How many times did you try to kill Castro, and why do you still have an illegal blockade on Cuba?

    so russia wouldnt take it all” Not in WW1. Fear of Communism, not really at that time…
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    so russia wouldnt take it all” Not in WW1. Fear of Communism, not really at that time…
    ah i missread. I thought he wrote ww2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus View Post
    That is the story developed by his enemies and the reasons they gave to justify their actions. Unfortunately, it is the shared (by false) representation of his actions, Not that he didn’t killed (his policy) some people, but they were far from being innocents. But that is another debate.
    And you know this how exactly?

    I don’t know for India but for Indochina I have some lights and, err, yes, USA wanted to make the pacific a big Mare Nostrum (and succeeded). Yes, USA did support Vietminh against the French until Korean War (Major Patty’s mission).
    We only supported Vietminh in their struggle against the Japanese.

    Joining the winners…
    When we joined in 1917 the Entente bloc wasn't doing too well.

    … Right… Asked Allende and several South American Countries their opinions about it…
    Allende was deposed by the local junta. If you think otherwise, prove it.

    How many times did you try to kill Castro, and why do you still have an illegal blockade on Cuba?
    It's called an embargo. We are not obligated to trade with anyone. As for trying to kill Castro, he deserve as much for conspiring with the commies and nearly causing the WW3.
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    The have an interesting definition of "nonviolent". Here's one of the first descriptions I clicked on:

    John Montgomery said that immediately before committing the armed burglary that led to his life without parole sentence, he was turned away from the hospital, where he sought treatment for his mental illness, because there was no room.
    And another a few clicks later:

    Alfonse Danner, a decorated U.S. Navy veteran, served in the Persian Gulf War. After that, “things went downhill for me,” he says. Danner will die behind bars for armed burglary and grand theft.
    Last I checked, burglarizing a home while armed was a violent offense.


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    And you know this how exactly?” Exactly in the same way you known he was a “bloody” dictator.

    We only supported Vietminh in their struggle against the Japanese” Read more.

    When we joined in 1917 the Entente bloc wasn't doing too well.” Read more : US army was not ready in 1917, so the only impact was psychological. Have to be equipped and trained by the English and the French. They were ready to take part in the last offensive in 1918 and their help, if not vital, was appreciated.

    Allende was deposed by the local junta. If you think otherwise, prove it.” Read on the subject. Operation Condor and Charlie.

    As for trying to kill Castro, he deserve as much for conspiring with the commies and nearly causing the WW3.” Yeah yeah yeah…Good old propaganda…

    We are not obligated to trade with anyone.” Ho? You don’t belong to the World Trade Organisation? Read about it, you really need to have your facts right.

    It is amazing how you are unprepared for any debate, thinking that to be rude and offensive is enough…
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire.

    "I've been in few famous last stands, lad, and they're butcher shops. That's what Blouse's leading you into, mark my words. What'll you lot do then? We've had a few scuffles, but that's not war. Think you'll be man enough to stand, when the metal meets the meat?"
    "You did, sarge", said Polly." You said you were in few last stands."
    "Yeah, lad. But I was holding the metal"
    Sergeant Major Jackrum 10th Light Foot Infantery Regiment "Inns-and-Out"

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