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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    Cuba hasn't been blockaded in decades though. It's still under a US embargo, but there's nothing wrong with embargoes. Cuba can trade at will with whomever she likes, just not with the US. As for what happened in 1962, the question of legality kinda pales in comparison with how close we got to WW3. Cuba was blockaded, yes, and for a damn good reason.
    .....Exept, of course that the embardo didn't start in 1962 or was related to the missile crisis. It was started in 1960 as a response to Cuba nationalization of the sugar industry.

    Which, in turn, lead to Castro seeking closer relations to the USSR(he had to trade with someone), which lead to nukes placed on Cuba.

    The iron law of unintended consequences strikes yet again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    .....Exept, of course that the embardo didn't start in 1962 or was related to the missile crisis. It was started in 1960 as a response to Cuba nationalization of the sugar industry.

    Which, in turn, lead to Castro seeking closer relations to the USSR(he had to trade with someone), which lead to nukes placed on Cuba.

    The iron law of unintended consequences strikes yet again.
    Sure, and one of the contributing causes of Pearl Harbor was our refusal to sell oil to Imperial Japan. So what? I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    Sure, and one of the contributing causes of Pearl Harbor was our refusal to sell oil to Imperial Japan. So what? I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
    Well, my main point is that the cuban missile crisis was not the cause of US hostility, rather US hostility was the cause of the missile crisis.

    The second point, I guess, would be that the US created a Stalin instead of accepting a Tito. The US could have had a far more friendly Cuba than they got, and I do believe a friendly Cuba would be more beneficial to the US than a hostile Cuba.
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    Well, my main point is that the cuban missile crisis was not the cause of US hostility, rather US hostility was the cause of the missile crisis.
    Perhaps the causes of that hostility also need an evaluation. Eisenhower wouldn't embargo Cuba just for fun.

    The second point, I guess, would be that the US created a Stalin instead of accepting a Tito. The US could have had a far more friendly Cuba than they got, and I do believe a friendly Cuba would be more beneficial to the US than a hostile Cuba.
    Hindsight.
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    Perhaps the causes of that hostility also need an evaluation. Eisenhower wouldn't embargo Cuba just for fun.
    Already stated the reason: cuban nationalization of the sugar industry.

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    Hindsight.
    Of course, never claimed otherwise. "Law of unintended consequences" hints at hindsight, doesn't it?
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    Already stated the reason: cuban nationalization of the sugar industry.
    There was more to it: Castro basically expropriated anything belonging to the Americans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    There was more to it: Castro basically expropriated anything belonging to the Americans.
    Actually, that's only the end of the story. Castro imported crude oil from Soviet Union and US-owned refineries in Cuba refused to process it, under pressure from American government. Castro nationalized the refineries after that. US invoked sanctions on Cuban sugar, Castro nationalized the rest.

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