Balance between neutered citizens and overly violent citizens...?

[Fragony]

Rape statistics in Sweden are rediculous, Allah bless your politicians who made that possible. Way to ruin a really nice country.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Armed / unarmed robbery certainly is one of the crimes where immigrants are over represented in the statistics. Social factors can't explain all of it, no..

Rape statistics are out the window though. We also seem to have this new sport of "balcony jumping", that seams to be more than extremely lead by people from the Middle East / North Africa.

Balcony jumping = honour killing wifes / daughters who assimilate to Sweden, because they assimilate to Sweden.

It's worth pointing out that it isn't BECAUSE they're Arabs. If the US started exporting white trash, you'd get the same problems.

[rvg]

It's worth pointing out that it isn't BECAUSE they're Arabs. If the US started exporting white trash, you'd get the same problems.

White trash is mostly benign and they'll never bother you as long as you stay off their lawn and let them cook their meth in peace. As for muslims taking over Sweden, I believe it. Totally. Give them a foot and they'll take a mile.

[a completely inoffensive name]

HoreTore thinks its wrong that a man who is getting his tv stolen can use whatever force he finds necessary to prevent it.

HoreTore thinks the solution is for the government to use whatever force it finds necessary to hand the tv over from the man to the criminal in order to prevent the criminal from stealing the tv in the first place.

Hilarious if it wasn't actually practiced in some countries.

[Kadagar_AV]

It's worth pointing out that it isn't BECAUSE they're Arabs. If the US started exporting white trash, you'd get the same problems.

It sure is because of their cultures.

Hey, you agree that the middle east and Africa have a trash view on women?

Then it wouldnt be surprising if rape statistics went up when you imported guys from this culture, huh?

They are used to seeing women as livestock in drapes. Now they have hot drunk blondes in miniskirts all around. Of course the Arabs and African then take over in rape statistics.

And no, I don't think we would have the same problem with rapes and balcony jumping if we imported rednecks.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Wealth redistribution is a glorious thing to reduce crime. More equality in society = less crime.

Anyway, I fail to see how shooting someone stealing from you is anything other than capital punishment dealt without a trial.

Also called murder.

Wealth redistribution works to a point. Yes, crushing poverty with little or no hope of bettering your situation yields to crime on a "what the blank does it matter basis," or even a "this is the only way to feed my family" basis.

Redistribute all of the wealth equally, so that all persons are equally funded and you will NOT eliminate crime. To do so you would have to eliminate greed -- and it seems that at least some portion of all of our populations is willing to cut corners or whatever to get ahead.


As to our hypothetical thieves, your solution is to give them my property. I worked for it, I bought it, I maintain it, but their "right" to be secure in their persons trumps my right to defend my property and that means that I have to stand by while they take my hard-earned property for their own use and enjoyment. I will call the cops, who will try but not likely succeed in getting my property returned. I will then call the insurance company, file a claim -- a service that I have also worked to pay for -- and will be compensated for my lost property as per the insurance contract. Who pays me compensation for my personal sense of loss and discomfiture? Moreover, should the event recur, the insurance company will raise my rates or refuse to cover me as a poor risk. Then what?

All in all, Horetore, I don't like that version of justice.

Their rights end at my property.

[Strike For The South]

Joe Horn did nothing wrong

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

It sure is because of their cultures.

Hey, you agree that the middle east and Africa have a trash view on women?

Then it wouldnt be surprising if rape statistics went up when you imported guys from this culture, huh?

They are used to seeing women as livestock in drapes. Now they have hot drunk blondes in miniskirts all around. Of course the Arabs and African then take over in rape statistics.

And no, I don't think we would have the same problem with rapes and balcony jumping if we imported rednecks.

Maybe not the SAME issues, but you might find greatly increased gun violence and race-related crime would come with the Rednecks

You also need to differentiate between the educated Levantine Arab (a doctor) who's wife went to university and the scummy uneducated Levantine Arab who takes out the trash.

Part of the issue is that we - Europe - import an underclass to do jobs we don't want to. We then have the same problems the Romans had with slaves.

[Kadagar_AV]

Maybe not the SAME issues, but you might find greatly increased gun violence and race-related crime would come with the Rednecks

You also need to differentiate between the educated Levantine Arab (a doctor) who's wife went to university and the scummy uneducated Levantine Arab who takes out the trash.

Part of the issue is that we - Europe - import an underclass to do jobs we don't want to. We then have the same problems the Romans had with slaves.

I talk about Swedish immigration. I talk about Somali and Afghan trash. NOT about a doctor from Iran with his rocket scientist wife.

See, Sweden has this view on humanity that "we are all equal". Unfortunately, Sweden has taken this idea to the extreme where it no longer means "We all have equal right to live", but "we are all equally worth. Period".

It's an absolutely GRAND idea. Don't get me wrong, I effin love the idea at large. It's just that in real life everyone is NOT of equal worth. Somali analphabet kids with a lineage of intrafamily marriage traditions are NOT of the same worth in education as children of Swedish heritage.

Just look at Swedens school results in international tests, like the PISA test, to judge for yourself how well this line of thinking functions.

That's just an example.. It goes on for pretty much else too.

Some cultures are trash. Some cultures have also through cultural means diminished their biological worth to the-gene pool at large.

[HoreTore]

Wealth redistribution works to a point. Yes, crushing poverty with little or no hope of bettering your situation yields to crime on a "what the blank does it matter basis," or even a "this is the only way to feed my family" basis.

Redistribute all of the wealth equally, so that all persons are equally funded and you will NOT eliminate crime. To do so you would have to eliminate greed -- and it seems that at least some portion of all of our populations is willing to cut corners or whatever to get ahead.

See, this is the problem with discussing wealth redistribution. I said "more equality", you interpreted that as "everyone equal" and "crushing poverty". I also said "less crime", which you translated to "eliminate crime". If we're going to discuss further, let's discuss honestly, shall we?

There's overwhelming statistical evidence(like this book, discussed in this article by the well-known communist den Bloomberg ) that the level of equality in a society correlates with the level of crime in that society, and that increasing or decreasing equality increases or decreases crime.

As to our hypothetical thieves, your solution is to give them my property. I worked for it, I bought it, I maintain it, but their "right" to be secure in their persons trumps my right to defend my property and that means that I have to stand by while they take my hard-earned property for their own use and enjoyment. I will call the cops, who will try but not likely succeed in getting my property returned. I will then call the insurance company, file a claim -- a service that I have also worked to pay for -- and will be compensated for my lost property as per the insurance contract. Who pays me compensation for my personal sense of loss and discomfiture? Moreover, should the event recur, the insurance company will raise my rates or refuse to cover me as a poor risk. Then what?

All in all, Horetore, I don't like that version of justice.

Their rights end at my property.

The thief should unquestionably be punished for causing you distress and loss of property, and you should be recompensated for your loss. However, I do not in any way believe that your loss is big enough to justify capital punishment.

[Major Robert Dump]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...ef=mostpopular

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Some cultures are trash. Some cultures have also through cultural means diminished their biological worth to the-gene pool at large.

Cultural indoctrination makes me want to argue against this - but even 1,000 years ago, if your daughter was raped you BLAMED the racist. Even if your daughter had been "ruined" what you did was sent her to a Nunnery, you didn't kill her.

So - yeah - a culture that encourages men to kill their daughters purely for mild "shaming" like going out dancing...

I could maybe relate on some level if these girls were ACTUALLY prostitutes.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...ef=mostpopular

This - is dumb.

Four guys? The fact that only one is dead shows the fighter was pretty restrained.

[HoreTore]

nvm.

[Montmorency]

if your daughter was raped you BLAMED the racist.

Dammit Abu, I told you your intolerance would bring ills down upon our family!

Opposite ends of the keyboard, eh?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Dammit Abu, I told you your intolerance would bring ills down upon our family!

Opposite ends of the keyboard, eh?

Obviously a Freudian slip - because I expect to be called a racist.

Feminism is a Western concept - so is gender equality (as we understand it). There's no reason to expect non-Westerners to follow those beliefs.

[rvg]

Feminism is a Western concept - so is gender equality (as we understand it). There's no reason to expect non-Westerners to follow those beliefs.

That only holds true for non-Westerners residing in non-Western countries. Those who live in the West should follow the Western rules or gtfo back to the hellhole they came from.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

That only holds true for non-Westerners residing in non-Western countries. Those who live in the West should follow the Western rules or gtfo back to the hellhole they came from.

You misunderstand - they should follow our laws regardless.

It is, however, a cultural prejudice to believe that the state of affairs in the Anglo-sphere and Western Europe is inevitable.

[Fragony]

You misunderstand - they should follow our laws regardless.

It is, however, a cultural prejudice to believe that the state of affairs in the Anglo-sphere and Western Europe is inevitable.

It just is clear that to some people, our values are not a subject of any negotiation. I don't give a about of how things are perceived in elsewhere, when they come from a culture where basic human rights don't count for women and gays. So I completely disregard their culture and don't give a if that offends them. If they don't like that they can go back to where they come from.

[Kadagar_AV]

Dammit Abu, I told you your intolerance would bring ills down upon our family!

Opposite ends of the keyboard, eh?

Perpetrator / racist... Common spelling mistake, really.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Thanks, bro.

[a completely inoffensive name]

You misunderstand - they should follow our laws regardless.

It is, however, a cultural prejudice to believe that the state of affairs in the Anglo-sphere and Western Europe is inevitable.

If we stopped the multiculturalism coddling, then yes it would be inevitable.

It turns out that women don't in fact like to be stoned for dancing, and if you introduce this concept in a region that's not absolutely crushed with poverty it spreads.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

If we stopped the multiculturalism coddling, then yes it would be inevitable.

It turns out that women don't in fact like to be stoned for dancing, and if you introduce this concept in a region that's not absolutely crushed with poverty it spreads.

Yet - shockingly - they have never liked it.

Just because you're seeing a few people adopting Western ideas doesn't mean the region will catch fire.

Afghanistan was "Liberal" 60 years ago - but only in Urban areas.

[Kadagar_AV]

Yet - shockingly - they have never liked it.

Just because you're seeing a few people adopting Western ideas doesn't mean the region will catch fire.

Afghanistan was "Liberal" 60 years ago - but only in Urban areas.

Not to mention IRAN nation wide before USA did their usual ****...

Seriously, read up on it if you haven't.

http://www.pagef30.com/2009/04/iran-...evolution.html

*source chosen because of the pictures*

[a completely inoffensive name]

Yet - shockingly - they have never liked it.

Just because you're seeing a few people adopting Western ideas doesn't mean the region will catch fire.

Afghanistan was "Liberal" 60 years ago - but only in Urban areas.

They never liked it because Western style natural and civil rights died when we also introduced Western style foreign policy.

[Kadagar_AV]

They never liked it because EUROPEAN style natural and civil rights died when we also introduced USAnian style foreign policy.

FIFY

Ain't I not the handy guy?

[HoreTore]

FIFY

Ain't I not the handy guy?

Yeah, because Europe is all innocent and kind.

Colonialism, nazism, communism, religious persecution and all that NEVER HAPPENED!!!111

The reason Europe doesn't project power as much as the US does isn't because we're Übermensch, it's because we're unable to as we're basically a backwater now.

[Kadagar_AV]

We were *** *****, but slowly learnt. It's called progression. That's why I dislike Africa, they haven't progressed the same way.

My FIFY was about the world AS IT IS TODAY, not some flagellation you feel Europeans need for oh so horrible historical crimes.

[HoreTore]

We were *** *****, but slowly learnt. It's called progression. That's why I dislike Africa, they haven't progressed the same way.

My FIFY was about the world AS IT IS TODAY, not some flagellation you feel Europeans need for oh so horrible historical crimes.

How many dead Bangladeshi does it take to make cheap Swedish clothes and fill Swedish pockets again?

[Husar]

We were *** *****, but slowly learnt. It's called progression. That's why I dislike Africa, they haven't progressed the same way.

How could the slaves progress in the same way as their overlords after the overlords cut off their arms and legs and then attached them again in a random way? Apparently the colonial powers taught them that the strong can take what they want and some of them took that lesson to heart and now their former colonial overlords complain about that and send them free food that ruins their local farmers while supporting their dictators as long as they claim to fight terrorism. I really wonder why oh why they do not progress in any way now that they're totally the masters of their own destiny as long as they do what we want them to do.

[rvg]

How could the slaves progress in the same way as their overlords after the overlords cut off their arms and legs and then attached them again in a random way?...

Not all of Africa was colonized. Look at Ethiopia: it's never been a colony, but its politico/economic situation is no different from the average African country.