1-Islam Women And Sex (2nd Edition)

[Ironside]

i agree with Fragony!

beside i clearly want you hax and ironside. in a simple word you agree with islam (not muslims islam itself in quran and hadiths) or not or something else?!

Let see now. Do I believe in Mohammed and Allah? No.
Do I consider fundamentalistic Islam to be incompattable with western humanistic values? Yes.
Do I consider moderate Islam to be incompatitable with western humanistic values? No.
Do I consider fundamentalistic Islam as a sort of natural Islam? No.
Do I consider claiming that fundamentalistic Islam is a sort of natural Islam to be stupid? Yes.

Well I wouldn't consider it stupid if I was named the Joker and wanted to watch the world burn. If you got a bunch of fanatics claiming to represent true Islam, then it's quite stupid to say "hey muslims, those guys you call fanatics are representing true Islam. Wanna join our non muslim club instead?".

If you are talking about modern fundamentalism, then yes that emerged with the Wahhabi movement, but that is only a small part of the fundamentalist story in Islamic history.

I was more pointing out that modern fundamentalism has older roots to draw on. But you seem to have known this already. Going fundamentalist isn't a new phenomena (Sweden was most fundamentalist about 1600-1700 legal wise for example), but to counteract what KurdishSpartakus is saying, there's no obvious red thread of fundamentalism to follow.