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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    Alternatively, define it as what you expect to happen when you approach a low level government official and offer a bribe. If you get an advantage, the polity is dysfunctional. If you get into trouble, the polity is functional. In that way, the film Lincoln shows a US that's on its way to functionality, as open cash bribes were frowned on by then. Job offers on the other hand...
    How about complimentary tickets, "speakers" fees, etc.? "With great power" in mind, I'd be shocked to hear of any government at any level that was devoid of "gifts" of some nature. IMO that is not what people mean when they say corruption. Like Tiaexz says, a little bit can be beneficial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    An institution will always take on the characteristics of the society in which it is embedded.

    It's why, for example, Mexico is constantly forming new agencies and task forces associated with combating the cartels: the old ones have to be dismantled due to utter corruption.

    So don't kid yourself too much about America - this is us.
    This is why I constantly stress in here about problems within American politics being a weakness of civic duty and values. The more you tacitly accept the status quo, the more you encourage for the situation to deteriorate. This isn't some hippy bull**** slogan. Cynicism in moderation is healthy, but the more we indulge ourselves with it, the more of a self fulfilling prophecy it becomes.

    (Just to clarify I'm not really directing this at you personally Monty, just piggybacking on your statement)

    Quote Originally Posted by Tiaexz View Post
    Thinking about the subject, in some cases, a little bit of cronyism/corruption can be beneficial.

    I put it this way, a lot of people end up being groomed by their parents to follow in a similar path, this means they have a lot of experience in the field/area, and perhaps have contacts and influence someone completely from the outside might have.

    So lets say Person A works at your company. He is a hardworker, worked there a long time, he is loyal and you get on with him. Whilst casually talking over a few years, you learn that the son has a deep interest in the same line of work as his father, he visited for his school's work experience, going through University and coming away with a good degree. You have a job opportunity coming up for an apprentice position, you let the father know. In the end, it boils down to three candidates, all pretty equal, except one of them is this fathers son and the other two are complete outsiders. Who would you think would be best for the company?
    In the situation you have given, this is not cronyism/corruption. From the companies perspective, you have three candidates that look equal on paper, but one of them has a trusted individual vouching for them. Companies must take risks on anybody they hire in the sense that they hope the applicant carries certain personality traits, hence why in person interviews occur in the first place. Having a father or friend in the company vouch is better than any 20 minute interview. Sure the relative/friend is biased, but ideally that "crony" is already recognized as the type of person the company looks for on the basis that he/she works there and naturally would raise/congregate around workers of similar character.

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    How about complimentary tickets, "speakers" fees, etc.? "With great power" in mind, I'd be shocked to hear of any government at any level that was devoid of "gifts" of some nature. IMO that is not what people mean when they say corruption. Like Tiaexz says, a little bit can be beneficial.
    Obviously, there will never be a government devoid of corruption. No point in letting the perfect become the enemy of the good. But let's not fool ourselves into thinking that subverting republican ideals is anything but bad for a representative government.

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    I would say a good indicator of dysfunctional levels of corruption is when "the common man" knows of corruption which isn't prosecuted or punished.
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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    well in Iran and some other countries (can Example Turkey & Iraq) Corruption is in the Top at its Peaks but still people dont do anything or dont have the MOOD to do something ......or its better say CANT do anything.
    Ukraine is in a better situation, the little corruption , they prevent it from its birth!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KurdishSpartakus View Post
    Ukraine is in a better situation, the little corruption , they prevent it from its birth!!
    Um.....

    Corruption is widespread at all levels of Ukrainian society.
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    I would say a good indicator of dysfunctional levels of corruption is when "the common man" knows of corruption which isn't prosecuted or punished.
    Nice point
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