Special Forces - who is the best?

[Brenus]

“Indeed, ask the French about the Maginot line” Weeellll, the Germans didn’t attack the Maginot line, didn’t they. They avoid carefully, and with good reason to do so. Now, I gave you Eben-Emael.

[Major Robert Dump]

My balls are pretty awesome

[Sarmatian]

My balls are pretty awesome

For the tenth time, your private parts do not constitute a special force, irregardless of how much training you give them.

[Fisherking]

For the tenth time, your private parts do not constitute a special force, irregardless of how much training you give them.

MRD was part of a very special unit. Though now he may be trolling to provide special services...

[Husar]

Huh?

How many handguns can be accurately used out to 600m?
The situation of Germany in late WW2 has nothing to do with the situation of Spetsnaz in a fight against other special forces.

You clearly didn't see the guy draw the DOUBLE KNIVES after shooting and face the camera. Or perhaps you did but it was too extreme for you and it melted the part of your brain that tried to remember it.

CR

How many people can hit someone with double knives who is 600m away?

“Indeed, ask the French about the Maginot line” Weeellll, the Germans didn’t attack the Maginot line, didn’t they. They avoid carefully, and with good reason to do so. Now, I gave you Eben-Emael.

Did the french keep the Maginot line? I don't think so.In the end the barn was lost anyway, not my fault that western special forces always train barn assault and barn defense while Spetsnaz have a weapon of barn destruction.

[Fisherking]

How many handguns can be accurately used out to 600m?

I know you are having fun but lets play this game.

600meter is nothing. You must be assuming that a 50 cal wont kill the guy before he get that close.

Bunkers are usually arranged in groups with interlocking fires. Lighter weapons in them would be M-2 cal .50s and Mk 19 grenade launchers.

They would not be as easy to see or take out as the cinderblock building shown in the film with big windows.

That is if they got past the scout platoon that was out in front of the bunker line.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mk_19_grenade_launcher

Don’t even get me started on how two cavalry scouts would wipe out all of them. ;)

[Sarmatian]

Don’t even get me started on how two cavalry scouts would wipe out all of them. ;)

Not if the special forces are in a phalanx formation.

[Husar]

I know you are having fun but lets play this game.

600meter is nothing. You must be assuming that a 50 cal wont kill the guy before he get that close.

Bunkers are usually arranged in groups with interlocking fires. Lighter weapons in them would be M-2 cal .50s and Mk 19 grenade launchers.

They would not be as easy to see or take out as the cinderblock building shown in the film with big windows.

That is if they got past the scout platoon that was out in front of the bunker line.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mk_19_grenade_launcher

Don’t even get me started on how two cavalry scouts would wipe out all of them. ;)

Spetsnaz are not meant and not stupid enough to try a frontal attack on your bunker. I also wonder how we came from a barn to a bunker.

But if you want to play this game, everybody knows that all American houses/barns fall apart much faster than a cinderblock building. I wouldn't trust american bunkers too much, someone might have had the bright idea to build them with wood so they can be rebuilt faster after their avoidable destruction.

Cavalry scouts wouldn't do much against Spetsnaz.
Here's a video about Spetsnaz weapons that also points out the huge failure of Delta Force in Mogadishu, proving that Spetsnaz are clearly superior:

[Gregoshi]

Oh yeah? Well my guys in my hypothetical situation can beat up your guys in (my interpretation of) your hypothetical situation! And all before breakfast. So there!

[Husar]

Oh yeah? Well my guys in my hypothetical situation can beat up your guys in (my interpretation of) your hypothetical situation! And all before breakfast. So there!

Beating up Russians?



Good luck with that!

[Brenus]

"Did the french keep the Maginot line? I don't think so" No, they didn't, because special Forces attacked them in the back, and that is what special forces are trained to do. But, the way was opened by none special forces, armored divisions through Ardennes (Bulges).

[Fisherking]

Look, the whole thing is a game of “My dog’s better than your dog!”

Who is best trained? I doubt anyone can tell you that honestly. Guessing I would say Delta and SAS. Not the SEALs regardless of what you see or think you see. Russian Alpha? Maybe.

Who is most effective? Last time I checked it would be Israel and Russia. The SEALs managed a couple of quick strikes lately but I would have to know more.

The US has always been good at training the operators. They just suck went it comes to executing missions. Mostly because of the halfwit job they do in planning. Command and Staff mixed with political objectives.

Maybe they have gotten a little better since most of the military missions are now geared more to special ops than traditional missions, but that is not the way to win wars. Just tick people off.

The way to neutralize the threat of special ops is to better train regular troops, but that doesn’t grab headlines or get generals promoted.

Special operators don’t fight other special forces. That is some Hollywood scenario.