View Poll Results: Should NATO be folded in favor of a European Union Defense Command?

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  • NATO should be folded in favor of a Unified European Defense Command

    8 33.33%
  • NATO should be folded, but no unified European comand is requied

    6 25.00%
  • NATO should be maintained as is.

    3 12.50%
  • NATO should be expanded to include all of NA and Europe.

    7 29.17%
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    Default Re: Should NATO be folded in favor of a European Union unified command?

    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    We already overmatch Russia economically and militarily, just not in "boots on the ground".

    There's one more weakness that Russia has: traditionally and historically Russian logistics have been shit. They're downright terrible at maintaining a supply chain in good order. Things might have improved for them recently, but with the amount of corruption their military has seen, it's unlikely that their new defense minister had time to clean things up.
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    Default Re: Should NATO be folded in favor of a European Union unified command?

    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    There's one more weakness that Russia has: traditionally and historically Russian logistics have been shit. They're downright terrible at maintaining a supply chain in good order. Things might have improved for them recently, but with the amount of corruption their military has seen, it's unlikely that their new defense minister had time to clean things up.
    So they send twice as much as needed, what's the problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    So they send twice as much as needed, what's the problem?
    No problem, more stuff to steal!
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    Default Re: Should NATO be folded in favor of a European Union unified command?

    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    No problem, more stuff to steal!
    You didn't get my point.

    The Russian army, in a situation, would be supplied. At high costs, sure. But they would be.



    Just like the Olympics. Might have costed more than expected, but they got the job done.

    EDIT: Oh, and even the aristocracy of Russia would be patriotic if their life line were at risk. So, less stealing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    You didn't get my point.

    The Russian army, in a situation, would be supplied. At high costs, sure. But they would be.
    No, I understood what you meant, and you're right about elevated costs and all, but it's not just a matter of theft: they can send the best machine guns to the front lines and then supply them with ammo of wrong caliber. Or send out 10000 boots, all of them being left ones. Stuff like that. It's an attitude problem where people just don't care if they do things correctly, properly and in good faith.
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