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    Hawking states that the state of the universe prior to the big bang was a singularity, thus the laws of physics did not apply to it. it therefore, has no way of influencing the events after the big bang, and we have no way of explaining it as the rules do not apply to it. Thus, it can be ignored. Also, the light from the big bang was sort of discovered some decades ago, at least so he says in "A brief history of the universe". We also know that the universe is expanding rapidly and it is outspeeding its own gravitational pull, thus it will not collapse back into a singluarity.

    How did that one proto-singularity, out of which all the universe appeared, come into being? I think we are a thousand years too early in asking this question. We are like dogs, trying to comprehend the moon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Myth View Post
    Hawking states that the state of the universe prior to the big bang was a singularity, thus the laws of physics did not apply to it. it therefore, has no way of influencing the events after the big bang, and we have no way of explaining it as the rules do not apply to it. Thus, it can be ignored....
    The perfect scientific assessment of God. The believer would assert that far from being ignored, no other question is as significant.

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    How did that one proto-singularity, out of which all the universe appeared, come into being? I think we are a thousand years too early in asking this question. We are like dogs, trying to comprehend the moon.
    I take your point, but I would replace 'dogs' with "children." We are not lacking in intelligence, we only suffer a surfeit of ignorance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Myth View Post
    Hawking states that the state of the universe prior to the big bang was a singularity, thus the laws of physics did not apply to it. it therefore, has no way of influencing the events after the big bang, and we have no way of explaining it as the rules do not apply to it. Thus, it can be ignored. Also, the light from the big bang was sort of discovered some decades ago, at least so he says in "A brief history of the universe". We also know that the universe is expanding rapidly and it is outspeeding its own gravitational pull, thus it will not collapse back into a singluarity.

    How did that one proto-singularity, out of which all the universe appeared, come into being? I think we are a thousand years too early in asking this question. We are like dogs, trying to comprehend the moon.
    Uhm... Last I checked that was just a rival theory.

    Leading theory is that dark matter will eventually start bringing things back to the centre, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    Leading theory is that dark matter will eventually start bringing things back to the centre, no?
    We still have no clue what dark matter is(hence the term "dark"), so any theories on how it ties into the bigger picture is far from complete.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    We still have little clue what dark matter is(hence the term "dark"), so any theories on how it ties into the bigger picture is far from complete.
    Yeah... I didn't state it as fact, I just think it is currently the leading theory in the circles that have the brain capacity to actually understand this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    Yeah... I didn't state it as fact, I just think it is currently the leading theory in the circles that have the brain capacity to actually understand this.
    There is a belief that these theories will be the leading theories once we have figured out what dark matter is.

    You're jumping the gun a bit, I'm afraid...

    We could, after all, end up discovering that there's no such thing as dark matter at all, like how we discovered that light does not need to pass through an aether.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    There is a belief that these theories will be the leading theories once we have figured out what dark matter is.

    You're jumping the gun a bit, I'm afraid...

    We could, after all, end up discovering that there's no such thing as dark matter at all, like how we discovered that light does not need to pass through an aether.
    Honestly, I for one don't have the brain capacity to follow a percentile of what those minds are into.

    I deeply respect them though.

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    So, if universe was infinitely small, and it keeps expanding, does this mean there's an end to it? What's there? I'm imagining Douglas Adams as border guard...

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