Remember kids, Obama is a socialist.

[Papewaio]

All purchasers of zero emission cars get that regardless of the maunfacturer.

It is a purchase subsidy and only indirectly goes to Tesla... They make far more money trading Zero emission credits to the big manufacturers. Upto $35k per car.

So try again.

[Xiahou]

All purchasers of zero emission cars get that regardless of the maunfacturer.

It is a purchase subsidy and only indirectly goes to Tesla... They make far more money trading Zero emission credits to the big manufacturers. Upto $35k per car.

So try again.

The ZEV credits are their biggest government support. You just agreed with me.

Close to half the price of their product charged to consumers is offset by government. Even better, a large chunk of it is seized directly from their competitors. Their success is due to government putting it's thumb on the scales.

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It would be dumb not to take advantage of a government program where feds are basically throwing money at you. More power to Tesla, they are the way of the future.

[Xiahou]

It would be dumb not to take advantage of a government program where feds are basically throwing money at you. More power to Tesla, they are the way of the future.

That's not my point. They lobby for their government largesse and they received it. Fine. But don't expect me to feel sympathetic for them when other government rent-seekers out maneuver them for once.

If they weren't on the dole themselves, they'd get more sympathy from me for being the victims of government intervention- if their existence didn't depend on the same government intervening on their behalf.

I say the government shouldn't be picking winners and losers. But by that standard, Tesla Motors wouldn't even exist.

[Papewaio]

1) The zero emissions trade scheme is a free trade mechanism between manufactures to allow flexibility in meeting California's zero emmisions mandate. So its hardly a dole payout. It is other manufacturers paying to stay compliant.

2) Most car manufacturers have some sort of government subsidies.

3) None of the mechanisms you have mentioned are the government picking Tesla over another corporation. They are either Federal rebates for purchasers and brand independent or a free market mechanism allowing manufacuturers to trade zero emission credits between each other in California. So neither of them are exclusive to Tesla.