Being assaulted and robbed isn't very much fun at all

[Kadagar_AV]

Rubbish.

Swedish football fans are, like Norwegian, Finnish and Danish fans, predominantly natives. Nothing strange about that: since our leagues sucks monkeyballs, the only ones who would watch it are those people who do so for reasons other than football(ie. tradition and so on). Immigrants rarely have this, and so prefer to watch real football instead of our pathetic leagues. The casuals I know in Norway(ISKO and Fineste) are all ethnic Norwegians. I have no reason to believe Sweden is different.

My source for this claim? 27 years of being a die-hard football fan. Which you appear not to be. Have fun flicking through footage of HIF and DIF supporters. Playing "spot the darkie" will be a hell of a lot harder than finding Wally.

That you refer to Swedish football violence as a "rare happenings" just shows how blinded you are by your racism. Swedish football hooliganism is right up their with England in 80's now. This weekend's death was merely the latest and most brutal event. It was the logical climax of years of fighting, someone was bound to get killed eventually.

This is the true face of your idyllic ethnicity. It fails. Hard.

But do continue to cry "but they're all immigrants" if that makes you sleep at night. Pathetic.

You fail to understand that Sweden has accepted like what? 10 times as much immigrants as Norway?

In the 90's, you would have been correct that "darkies" were far apart among the supporters, but hardly today. Specially in football, which is an immigrant sport. Hockey fans are still rather ethnic, though.

Also, the more violent fans tend to be darkies... So there is that as well.

I am not saying that it's impossible that it's Swedes who are the perps, I am saying that it's stupid to accuse them of being Swedes untill you know it is so, when statistics would give it more of a 50/50 chance. Eveen you should be very much able to understand this VERY simple fact, if not I shiver when I think that you teach children.

Again, pathetic. Your argumentation doesn't hold for any type of scrutiny what so ever.


EDIT: I dont think Norways immigrants have had the "Zlatan" effect we see in Swedens youths. Basically, every arab, african and their mother are kicking ball these days.

[HoreTore]

You fail to understand that Sweden has accepted like what? 10 times as much immigrants as Norway?

In the 90's, you would have been correct that "darkies" were far apart among the supporters, but hardly today. Specially in football, which is an immigrant sport. Hockey fans are still rather ethnic, though.

Also, the more violent fans tend to be darkies... So there is that as well.

I am not saying that it's impossible that it's Swedes who are the perps, I am saying that it's stupid to accuse them of being Swedes untill you know it is so, when statistics would give it more of a 50/50 chance. Eveen you should be very much able to understand this VERY simple fact, if not I shiver when I think that you teach children.

Again, pathetic. Your argumentation doesn't hold for any type of scrutiny what so ever.

I would advise you to get a clue before you speak, as you are obviously talking about things you do not understand.

Immigrants do play football in Sweden. They also attracts immigrants as supporters. However, the clubs we are talking about are the likes of Syrianska, Assyriska, and so on. You know, the clubs founded by immigrants. Funnily enough, they all play in Superettan and are not known for hooliganism.

The teams with crap supporters, like the Stockholm clubs, Göteborg and so on, have supporters who are predominantly ethnic Swedes. The percentage of ethnic Swedes in the Ultras factions are especially high.



That you distinguish between hockey and football fans is just so clueless I'm wondering whether I should laugh or cry. Get a clue before you talk, son.

[Kadagar_AV]

I would advise you to get a clue before you speak, as you are obviously talking about things you do not understand.

Immigrants do play football in Sweden. They also attracts immigrants as supporters. However, the clubs we are talking about are the likes of Syrianska, Assyriska, and so on. You know, the clubs founded by immigrants. Funnily enough, they all play in Superettan and are not known for hooliganism.

The teams with crap supporters, like the Stockholm clubs, Göteborg and so on, have supporters who are predominantly ethnic Swedes. The percentage of ethnic Swedes in the Ultras factions are especially high.



That you distinguish between hockey and football fans is just so clueless I'm wondering whether I should laugh or cry. Get a clue before you talk, son.

You still dodge overall statistics.

Anyway, go to Helsingborg and spend some time with the supporters. Lots and loads of Yugoslavians, arabs and whatnot. Norway havent had the Zlatan effect of Sweden, as I edited in before, every damn immigrant and their mother are playing ball these days.

I distinguish between hockey and football fans because... it's two distinct groups. Way, way, WAY more immigrants who bother with football.

Maybe not in Norway, but definitely so here in Sweden. Again, we don't share the same multicultural problems, as Norway has been way more moderate in their intake of immigrants.

GAH, like talking to a brick wall

[HoreTore]

I distinguish between hockey and football fans because... it's two distinct groups. Way, way, WAY more immigrants who bother with football.

This proves just how hopelessly ignorant you are of how supporter shenanigans work.

Get a clue. I would advise you not to comment on issues you have no knowledge of.

[Kadagar_AV]

This proves just how hopelessly ignorant you are of how supporter shenanigans work.

Get a clue. I would advise you not to comment on issues you have no knowledge of.

I have been to surely hundreds of both football and hockey games in my life, here in Sweden. I have seen how the demographic around football has changed, while hockey has remained about the same.

You seriously think your take on it from a Norwegian perspective trumps my hands on experience?

Immigrants don't care about hockey, they care about football. Thus, yes, the fanbase between hockey and football is very much different. Just because you support AIK in football, doesnt mean you have to support AIK in hockey.

[HoreTore]

I have been to surely hundreds of both football and hockey games in my life, here in Sweden. I have seen how the demographic around football has changed, while hockey has remained about the same.

You seriously think your take on it from a Norwegian perspective trumps my hands on experience?

Immigrants don't care about hockey, they care about football. Thus, yes, the fanbase between hockey and football is very much different. Just because you support AIK in football, doesnt mean you have to support AIK in hockey.

Swing and a miss.

Again, get a clue.

[Kadagar_AV]

Swing and a miss.

Again, get a clue.

What!? Have you started with drugs or something?

You are usually at least comprehensive, but in this thread your arguments are coco as cocopuffs.

Immigrants_do_not_care_about_hockey, they_care_about_football. What is it about that you don't understand?