Being assaulted and robbed isn't very much fun at all

[Husar]

Can I get my points. I have been warning for this for years.

It's a Cassandra thing. If your prognostications are wrong, you get reviled for the inanity of your predictions. If you are later proven correct....you are reviled even more.

Internet justice, ain't it beee-ooo--tiful.

Wait, a single incident proves that Fragony was right all along? Is anecdotal evidence the new internet hipster thing?

Is it really that hard to see that white people and non-immigrants can be violent, too?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...azi-group.html

It just doesn't make the news as much apparently as scary immigrants sell more papers.

[Kadagar_AV]

Wait, a single incident proves that Fragony was right all along? Is anecdotal evidence the new internet hipster thing?

Is it really that hard to see that white people and non-immigrants can be violent, too?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...azi-group.html

It just doesn't make the news as much apparently as scary immigrants sell more papers.

I don't think anyone claims white people cant be violent.

I already stated in this thread that every culture and nation has its fair share of idiots. I just wonder why we have to import people from absolutely scum cultures, thus increasing the amount of idiots.

It's about OVER-REPRESENTATION, that's why I have a problem with immigrants.

They still have an OVER-REPRESENTATION when you remove social-economical factors. See the problem?

Another problem is of course that quite some immigrant groups will never serve another purpose in society than being at the very bottom socio-economicly (It's not like many Somalis will be rocket-engineers anytime soon), so basically we are importing raised crime.

[HoreTore]

More than one in every five young Swedes are unemployed.

But I'm sure that doesn't matter, let's continue discussing culture(race).

....And about "rocket scientists".... While you Swedes are naturally to daft to have a space program, we will have to look at alternate "smart-guy" professions. What does your average med-student look like, Kad?

[Kadagar_AV]

More than one in every five young Swedes are unemployed.

But I'm sure that doesn't matter, let's continue discussing culture(race).

I just said, quite some immigrant groups are still over-represented when you account for socio-economical factors.

I also just said, that many immigrant groups will never reach anything but the lowest of socio-economical class because of their culture and background, so in effect we import crime.

Is that hard to get?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Wait, a single incident proves that Fragony was right all along? Is anecdotal evidence the new internet hipster thing?

Is it really that hard to see that white people and non-immigrants can be violent, too?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...azi-group.html

It just doesn't make the news as much apparently as scary immigrants sell more papers.

Actually, I was just poking fun at Frags, assuring him that we would find a way to lambast him regardless.

My more serious posts on the issue, see above, take a different tone. I think the race/culture label of itself is not relevant here. Immigration that creates a surfeit of urban poor begets this kind of thing. That was true when the immigrants were Turks in Germany, Libyans in Italy, Irish in Boston, or Japanese in the Hawaiian Islands. "Race," to the extent that that is a valuable discriminator at all, is not the point. If it had been a quintet of Connaught-born "trash" who'd felt oppressed by the Stodgy Lutherans of Sweden they might have targeted Kadagar in the same way.

The problems at hand are: controlling/deterring street crime and sensible immigration policy. Doesn't sound, from Kadagar's example (admittedly anecdotal in character -- but I am a qualitative researcher so I do not dismiss such) as though either is being well enough handled.

[Kadagar_AV]

Actually, I was just poking fun at Frags, assuring him that we would find a way to lambast him regardless.

My more serious posts on the issue, see above, take a different tone. I think the race/culture label of itself is not relevant here. Immigration that creates a surfeit of urban poor begets this kind of thing. That was true when the immigrants were Turks in Germany, Libyans in Italy, Irish in Boston, or Japanese in the Hawaiian Islands. "Race," to the extent that that is a valuable discriminator at all, is not the point. If it had been a quintet of Connaught-born "trash" who'd felt oppressed by the Stodgy Lutherans of Sweden they might have targeted Kadagar in the same way.

The problems at hand are: controlling/deterring street crime and sensible immigration policy. Doesn't sound, from Kadagar's example (admittedly anecdotal in character -- but I am a qualitative researcher so I do not dismiss such) as though either is being well enough handled.

In my perfect world, 10% of every nations population is immigrants, spread from all over the world.

That way cultural identities can be intact, different cultures can try different things, but still learn from each other.

So, that's how much "Nazi" I am.

Sweden however... *shivers*

Since I was born in 1980, 1/3 of new Swedes are no longer Swedes. That number accounts for nativity and immigration, and I count second generation immigrants as immigrants, but not third.

I was on a bus with my mother in one of the suburbs around Stockholm the other day. The buss was pretty full, and my mother was the only woman showing her hair.

Our immigration policy is EXTREME, and contrary to any other countries, we accept the immigrants others dont want.

The biggest political cry in Sweden is "EVERY HUMANS EQUAL WORTH", thus we accept the gypsys, the somalis, the afghans...

Nevermind they come to cheat us, nevermind they have no schooling, nevermind they look down on the society that feed them. They all have an equal worth.

I would LOVE to believe in "every humans equal worth", but when you start to talk about state finances and us accepting just so many an-alphabets, or how people fresh from a warzone just MAYBE have different needs, Sweden fail.

Heck, the latest dental-political-initiative completely failed to understand that people from Afghanistan might have other dental needs than a person raised with Swedish dental care.

I don't see myself as nazi, I would like to live in a society with other cultures. But heck, I want them other cultures to work in teh society I live in, and if they don't, I expect them to be on the backfoot. It's the same respect I give other cultures I dwell in.