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    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    As far as STV goes - some "people" wanted it, but by no means a majority did. The older generation, who are more likely to vote, distrust the part list system
    STV =/= Party List. They are different electoral systems.

    STV is the system used in Scotland, Ireland, Australia, Iceland, etc.
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27579108

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    There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.

    “Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy.”

    To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.

    "The purpose of a university education for Left / Liberals is to attain all the politically correct attitudes towards minorties, and the financial means to live as far away from them as possible."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiaexz View Post
    STV =/= Party List. They are different electoral systems.

    STV is the system used in Scotland, Ireland, Australia, Iceland, etc.
    Don't insult my intelligence - any "proportional" system includes lists submitted by parties, it generally favour mid-sized parties who have broad but shallow support. I.e. they get a moderate share of the vote over a given area but they can't actually get a majority or even a large minority) to actually vote for a given candidate.

    Their problem is that while people generally think they're "alright" their candidates, as individuals, are not impressive.

    As least under FPTP you know who to throw eggs at.
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    In Germany, eurosceptics also have gained votes. The new-on-the-scene Alternative for Germany has won about 7 %. Its prime topic is Europe, apart from that it is a conserative party on economical and social issues with a tendency towards right-wing populism when it comes to immigration.
    Apart from that, the last minute abolition of the 3%-minimum parties used to need in order to get a seat has led another 7 parties with one seat each into the EP. Amongst these are 2 radical green parties, neonazis, a joke party and the Pirates.

    Apart from that, I am pro-European yet I am also highly critical towards the EU in its current form. The EP has virtually no power, in the end national governments hold too much power. The European institutions are too large, too bulky. We have to get beyond crippling compromises such as "every country gets a comissioner".
    Imho, a pro-European should support the European idea and be critical of its institutions.

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    In Germany, eurosceptics also have gained votes. The new-on-the-scene Alternative for Germany has won about 7 %. Its prime topic is Europe, apart from that it is a conserative party on economical and social issues with a tendency towards right-wing populism when it comes to immigration.
    Apart from that, the last minute abolition of the 3%-minimum parties used to need in order to get a seat has led another 7 parties with one seat each into the EP. Amongst these are 2 radical green parties, neonazis, a joke party and the Pirates.

    Apart from that, I am pro-European yet I am also highly critical towards the EU in its current form. The EP has virtually no power, in the end national governments hold too much power. The European institutions are too large, too bulky. We have to get beyond crippling compromises such as "every country gets a comissioner".
    Imho, a pro-European should support the European idea and be critical of its institutions.

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    Something for that gobshite Nick Clegg.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p13yZAjhU0M&feature=kp

    There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.

    “Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy.”

    To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.

    "The purpose of a university education for Left / Liberals is to attain all the politically correct attitudes towards minorties, and the financial means to live as far away from them as possible."

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