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    Kumquat wants me to vote: jarema I disagree but he commands...
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    vote: Visorslash

    why not?

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    vote: Riedquat for preemptively stealing the kumquat joke I was going to make.

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    Official tally:

    Ishmael (Visorslash; Askthepizzaguy)
    Double A (Ishmael)
    Bladescape (TFT)
    Jarema (Riedquat)
    Visorslash (Jarema)
    Riedquat (Double A)

    Quote Originally Posted by Zack View Post
    No Role PMs or game start PM? What does "first past the post" mean, first to a majority? Then why is there a tiebreaking mechanism?
    First-past-the-post is an election system in which a plurality, instead of a majority, wins.
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    Unvote

    Vote Reidquat


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    Unvote; Vote: ATPG for voting scumquat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visorslash View Post
    Unvote; Vote: ATPG for voting scumquat.
    Belay that vote, Visorslash. Pizza is villaging.

    Assume that for the moment, zack is village, pizza is village, you're village, and Ishmael is village. Your top suspects then?
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    That's a two in six random shot, but based on the vote record, I don't think we need to go random.

    Reidquat and Jarema are both mafia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy View Post
    Belay that vote, Visorslash. Pizza is villaging.

    Assume that for the moment, zack is village, pizza is village, you're village, and Ishmael is village. Your top suspects then?
    1. Double A
    2. Kumquat
    4. edse
    5. TFT
    6. Jarema
    7. Bladescape

    These are the remaining players.

    Going by the vote analysis with the assumption made, we have little to look with so far, but it is enough.
    TFT votes Bladescape - member from his forum. Is he voting him for security reasons? Or is it a throwaway?
    Riedquat votes Jarema - Jarema, easy vote, unlikely to attract an OMGUS due to Jarema's tendency to vote me every D1.
    Jarema votes myself - as he always does. Does he actually want me lynched is the question?
    AA votes riedquat - throwaway vote, nothing to be learnt from. From my picture of AA, his day 1 is a throwaway.
    Bladescape + edse have not voted.

    Clearly not too much to go on. I wouldn't lynch Jarema today because he always votes me D1. AA is a fine vote, and one of bladescape + edse. If I was hazarding a guess based on those assumptions and really extrapolating things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy View Post
    That's a two in six random shot, but based on the vote record, I don't think we need to go random.

    Reidquat and Jarema are both mafia.
    I don't think Jarema is worth a lynch today. Tomorrow it will be easier to tell him.

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    In fact, if Jarema did not vote me today, I would almost certainly be after his head.

    Riedquat is a fine lynch.

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    Bladescape is marked as away on GITP, his absence is expected and unrelated to the game.

    I'll give him a pass since you cannot analyze him anyway. His fellow forum-goer TFT is voting for someone familiar, and definitely a commonplace villager D1 vote. We tend to vote the people we're closest to, because we expect to be betrayed by them, and want to get the upper hand over an old rival, rather than be blindsided by them. We don't mind losing to people we don't know from adam.

    As such, both blades and TFT get a D1 pass from me.

    Edse is not pulling his weight yet; however, I'd give you an obvious reason why if you asked, but don't ask. It's null. I have a feeling he might miss the round altogether, and I believe his absence is not a conscious decision on his part.

    Double A is my third choice, already explained the other two.

    I think one scum distances from the other scum, but if not, it's Double A and Jarema.

    I can be persuaded to vote any of the three I mentioned, Scumquat, Jarema, or Double A.

    And I would lynch Jarema today because he always votes you Day One is not a defense.
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    Visor, I believe you're villaging because enough people were voting off-wagon. I don't believe town comes to that voting configuration naturally, that literally every townie was voting for a different suspect, and there were no two-townie votes.

    This is thin, but vote analysis is my bag.

    I'm a villager because I care too much not to be one.
    Last edited by Askthepizzaguy; 06-07-2014 at 07:05. Reason: In fact, I'm skipping analysis of Zack. It doesn't even need to be said.
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    Ah, I remember bladescape posting that he was away now. Nevermind on that behalf.

    And yes, I agree with that. I would not lynch Zack or TFT/bladescape today myself, mostly because the latter two are new to the forum and Zack because of the early deaths of him in other games.

    I'll take you at your word for edse, I don't believe he would consciously not vote.

    I am fine with lynching those three. I don't mind the jarema lynch, but I would prefer AA/Reidquat over him, as reading jarema becomes easier once you make him talk.

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    @Jarema

    who would you lynch, out of ATPG, myself and Ishmael?

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    I have trouble reading Ishmael myself - he is someone that makes me doubt what I read, but I have a few ideas on what he may/may not do as mafia. I have a few sources to draw information from.

    Fire alarm, back soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visorslash View Post
    @Jarema

    who would you lynch, out of ATPG, myself and Ishmael?
    Bah, @Jarema, who would you lynch out of Askthepizzaguy, Reidquat, and Ishmael?

    He's already voting for you, Vi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Visorslash View Post
    Riedquat is a fine lynch.
    No, he is not! kumquat is a better one...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riedquat View Post
    No, he is not! kumquat is a better one...
    You admit to being scum, then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy View Post
    Bah, @Jarema, who would you lynch out of Askthepizzaguy, Reidquat, and Ishmael?

    He's already voting for you, Vi.
    Doesn't mean he wants to lunch me. If his vote changes it gives us crucial info. Still reidquat and aa as well I suppose.

    Quote Originally Posted by Riedquat View Post
    No, he is not! kumquat is a better one...
    Death by kumquat

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    Quote Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy View Post
    You admit to being scum, then?
    No and I wonder why do you think I am...
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    So, it's nice that Pizza is in hunting wolves mode instead of defensive interactions mode. I makes me read him as villager unless his actions dictate otherwise.

    Viser is also putting out a villagery vibe based on the amount of effort and reasoning. Can change based off the quality of actions like ATPG

    I don't like the Reidquat and kumquat first interaction at all if players are starting serious. But I also don't know the general community of The Org so I don't know how commonplace joke votes like those are for day one.

    Finally, if what you guys say about Jarema and his voting patterns is true, his vote doesn't seem like a wolf tell at the moment. I do want to hear more from him for being so cautious about his first vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visorslash View Post
    I have trouble reading Ishmael myself - he is someone that makes me doubt what I read, but I have a few ideas on what he may/may not do as mafia. I have a few sources to draw information from.

    Fire alarm, back soon.
    You always nail me as mafia, and for the right reasons too. It's just fortunate the town doesn't listen to you most of the time when you do. You also often call me as mafia when I'm townie, but that's a different matter.

    As for serious post analysis, I'd give Visorslash a tentative pass, and will be keeping a closer eye on TFT. I won't be changing my vote though, as I'd feel bad lynching one of the newcomers without more than a gut feeling on D1. No opinions yet on anybody else, really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riedquat View Post
    No and I wonder why do you think I am...
    I hunted villagers and found several, now I'm Process Of Elimination against the remaining players, and of those, I am observing voting patterns.

    Your vote didn't look like it was attempting to win for village. Your vote wins for wolves, though.

    Now, if I'm wrong, prove it. Lynch a scum today and I'll back off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ishmael View Post
    You always nail me as mafia, and for the right reasons too. It's just fortunate the town doesn't listen to you most of the time when you do. You also often call me as mafia when I'm townie, but that's a different matter.
    ...

    As for serious post analysis, I'd give Visorslash a tentative pass, and will be keeping a closer eye on TFT
    Why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TFT View Post
    So, it's nice that Pizza is in hunting wolves mode instead of defensive interactions mode. I makes me read him as villager unless his actions dictate otherwise.

    Viser is also putting out a villagery vibe based on the amount of effort and reasoning. Can change based off the quality of actions like ATPG

    I don't like the Reidquat and kumquat first interaction at all if players are starting serious. But I also don't know the general community of The Org so I don't know how commonplace joke votes like those are for day one.

    Finally, if what you guys say about Jarema and his voting patterns is true, his vote doesn't seem like a wolf tell at the moment. I do want to hear more from him for being so cautious about his first vote.
    Riedquat - kumquat is sorta a forum joke between el barto and riedquat - scumquat is my name for him. What about Ishamel or AA's vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ishmael View Post
    You always nail me as mafia, and for the right reasons too. It's just fortunate the town doesn't listen to you most of the time when you do. You also often call me as mafia when I'm townie, but that's a different matter.

    As for serious post analysis, I'd give Visorslash a tentative pass, and will be keeping a closer eye on TFT. I won't be changing my vote though, as I'd feel bad lynching one of the newcomers without more than a gut feeling on D1. No opinions yet on anybody else, really.
    Everyone gets it wrong sometimes.

    That said, I voted you specifically because I want to read your interactions to me, and you giving me a pass, no matter how tentative is generally not how I find Ishmael to work, at least as town. I remember you voting me more then most people and normally having some sort of voting interaction early.

    Thoughts on Pizza so far?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visorslash View Post
    Thoughts on Pizza so far?
    Too villagery to be a villager. But that means he's a villager.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Visorslash View Post
    Riedquat - kumquat is sorta a forum joke between el barto and riedquat - scumquat is my name for him. What about Ishamel or AA's vote?
    Got it.

    The AA vote definitely is a vote away from bandwagons since there were a few votes already, but that can be both a villagery or a wolfish behavior depending on the player. Things hadn't gotten underway so if anything, it's a slight wolf read, but overall neutral.

    The opening ishmael vote also seems neutral. This post though:
    Quote Originally Posted by Ishmael View Post
    You always nail me as mafia, and for the right reasons too. It's just fortunate the town doesn't listen to you most of the time when you do. You also often call me as mafia when I'm townie, but that's a different matter.

    As for serious post analysis, I'd give Visorslash a tentative pass, and will be keeping a closer eye on TFT. I won't be changing my vote though, as I'd feel bad lynching one of the newcomers without more than a gut feeling on D1. No opinions yet on anybody else, really.
    I have to wonder about the deliberate separation between the meta analysis and the post analysis. It feels like you are trying to shift focus off the meta game factor. Might be something to look into.

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    To clarify a tiny bit, AA voting away from bandwagons is slightly suspicious, but not lynchworthy.

    You know what?

    Unvote

    Vote: Ishmael
    Last edited by TFT; 06-07-2014 at 09:24. Reason: added vote

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    All right, I'll bite.

    Quote Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy View Post
    ...
    Why?
    Visorslash: In my experience he doesn't tend to post quite so much, so early, as scum.

    TFT: Ruling Pizza townie off the bat. He doesn't tend to read easily. That seems like either overconfidence, or an attempt to get on the good side of one of the more talkative (and therefore potentially influential) players.

    Quote Originally Posted by Visorslash View Post
    Everyone gets it wrong sometimes.

    That said, I voted you specifically because I want to read your interactions to me, and you giving me a pass, no matter how tentative is generally not how I find Ishmael to work, at least as town. I remember you voting me more then most people and normally having some sort of voting interaction early.

    Thoughts on Pizza so far?
    Are you saying that you're scum, or that I always vote for you even when you're townie?

    Seriously though, whilst I don't tend to self-analyse much (perhaps I should), if I vote for you more often than others that's because I tend to find you suspicious more often than others, accurately or otherwise. It's not like my default course of action is just 'vote Visorslash.'

    As for Pizza, see above; I don't feel justified in making any judgement yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by TFT View Post
    Got it.

    The AA vote definitely is a vote away from bandwagons since there were a few votes already, but that can be both a villagery or a wolfish behavior depending on the player. Things hadn't gotten underway so if anything, it's a slight wolf read, but overall neutral.

    The opening ishmael vote also seems neutral. This post though:


    I have to wonder about the deliberate separation between the meta analysis and the post analysis. It feels like you are trying to shift focus off the meta game factor. Might be something to look into.
    Well, the meta analysis and post analysis were naturally separate. The meta analysis was of Visor's scumfinding ability, whilst the post analysis was about my opinions on how I might vote. There really wasn't much overlap.

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