Hostile Takeover of Washington is brewing

[Fisherking]

GC, this is a topic I am loath to bring up. Most people will make the incorrect assumption that I am anti-immigration, which I am not. I would be just as happy in a world without borders as with a national government. It is just that such a government would have to have strict controls over its powers. That is something lacking most everywhere.

The reason for falling wages is a glut in eligible workers. This is brought about, in part, by illegal immigration. This suppresses wages.

The mantra is that those people take jobs no one else wants. The truth is that if no one took those jobs at the current pay levels than the employer would have to raise wages in order to find staff.

Neither political party has done much to stem the tide of illegal workers. This keeps wages low and makes it difficult to find employment above subsistence levels. It does help employers, especially employers of large corporations with low skill entry levels to higher profits.

It is of value to both political parties. One use the illegals as voters and new members of the underclass and the other uses them as bogymen.

[HopAlongBunny]

A contrarian group that might just test/prove Nader's assertion that what the US really needs is billionaires with "social conscious" to solve America's problem with money in the political sphere:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0EZ05920140624

[Beskar]

A contrarian group that might just test/prove Nader's assertion that what the US really needs is billionaires with "social conscious" to solve America's problem with money in the political sphere:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0EZ05920140624

They have my vote.

[drone]

A contrarian group that might just test/prove Nader's assertion that what the US really needs is billionaires with "social conscious" to solve America's problem with money in the political sphere:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0EZ05920140624

Why not just donate to Wolf PAC?

[Fisherking]

Illegal Immigration is a boon for the private prison system, and most of the corporations that absolutely deny a living wage! Every time I point out that your ideology is corrupted by big business, you say something like:



That's all fine and dandy, but the Tea Party is still a willing proxy for big business. Throughout this thread you've merely confirmed an ideological bias that I told you was there to begin with. How can your party be for the people, if the first steps towards improving conditions are antithetical to your party? C'mon, man. I don't expect you to come around to my view, but I do expect you to understand why the Tea Party will never appeal to most of us on "the left." And it would be nice if you understood why so many of us see them as almost a counter-popular force, a dangerous reactionary insurrection here to do the far right's bidding in the dumbest way possible.

Adopting a realistic view of the minimum wage will give a massive edge to whichever party fully endorses it first. The dems are tippy-toeing the issue because they still fear those of their own generation who believe in trickle-down, but they'll come around in less than a decade. If the Republicans (hah) or the Tea Party (double-hah!) were to come around first, forcing themselves to adopt a real economic stance instead of just parroting shallow reaganite garbage, they might actually avoid being an opposition party for eternity.

You are being silly. I am not Tea Party. Likely I am closer to Occupy people but I know both.

I know full well that there is a government corporate partnership. If someone thinks the ultra rich are in the game because they have a good heart they are fools.

I get the feeling you have only read about half of what I said and jumped to some wild conclusion.

Go back to the political compass and have a look. What does it say on the top and the bottom?

Tell me what the difference is between being ruled by a Stalinist or a Fascist. Have a look at the positions of Bush and Obama.

You are so worried about left and right and ignore up and down. From my read we have more in common with Milton Friedman than Obama. Hillary is closer to Romney than she is to you. But you would vote for her because she says she is from the left.

I fall left between Mandela and the Dalai Lama but over 5 points south. But you see me as a right winger.

Hopeless!

[Beskar]

I fall left between Mandela and the Dalai Lama but over 5 points south. But you see me as a right winger

I think Political Compass is rather inaccurate, take a look at this.



edit: Put Fisher in the wrong position, missed 5 points south part, doh.

[ICantSpellDawg]

What the heck.
I'm to the extreme left of Dave Miliband? I just spent 45 minutes giving tribute to my passionate hatred of American poor in another thread.

[ICantSpellDawg]

Notice how far to the left we all are from Obama. What's important to remember about the political compass is that even though it adds another axis, its still trying to arbitrarily graph something that's not very easily graphed. It goes out of its way to only use the actions* of politicians, without guessing at their inner beliefs.. while trying to match your inner beliefs without forcing to concede to reality, like the politicians its comparing you to have had to do. It is very hard to actually compare two peoples' politics. See myself and @Fisherking, for example. The only real difference is that I believe any "New Deal" that doesn't immediately lift the mass of impoverished Americans out of their misery is not only not to be accepted, but is actually a total waste of the opportunity being presented. He takes a longer view, but I would argue my view is more just. That's hard to graph.

*(or particularly outspoken speech that remains consistent throughout time, which you'll never get from modern politicians anyway)

I am a rather "conservative" Roman Catholic who rejects a robust legal system and supports small and localized minarchist government, while believing in international structural poverty relief (and loathing the American poor), encouraging military aid to overthrow nearly every non-western, human rights abusing government. I also want to legalize nearly everything, especially guns, prostitution, drugs, and "Tiger Selfies". Personally, I have no idea where I am on that chart.

[Beskar]

Did you dig up old political compass posts for that? Lol

Yes.

Except for Fisher, put him in between Llama and Ghandi, he is as south as you.