If your child is not vaccinated, they should be barred from attending public school

[ICantSpellDawg]

I'm not going to debate holocaust denial. I'm not going to debate NWO conspiracies. I'm not going to debate homeopathy. I'm not going to debate anti-vaccination.

I will of course make fun of the loonies.

Are you equating holocaust denial with people who prefer not to use vaccines or have things injected into their bodies as a matter of principle? Will you soon force people to eat gm foods because they are not proven to be more harmful than organics, but have the major advantage of not wasting as many land resources? THUS ORGANIC FOODS ARE HARMING THE GREATER GOOD.

It is preference. When nobody around you or that you have ever met contracts the measles, it might not be senseless to forego vaccination. Should we all be vaccinated against yellow fever?

[HoreTore]

Are you equating holocaust denial with people who prefer not to use vaccines or have things injected into their bodies as a matter of principle? Will you soon force people to eat gm foods because they are not proven to be more harmful than organics, but have the major advantage of not wasting as many land resources? THUS ORGANIC FOODS ARE HARMING THE GREATER GOOD

It's not about their bodies. That's the point. They can make whatever decision they want to their own bodies. I will not have them make those decisions for others.

And yes, I am equating the validity of anti-vaccination arguments with the validity of holocaust denial arguments. The insanity level is the same.

The anti-GMO arguments are mostly the same, but fortunately the government doesn't pay much attention to them and GMO foods doesn't have a lot of restrictions. Organic foods are ridiculous, but on the same level as, say, driving a very fuel-inefficient car.

[ICantSpellDawg]

It's not about their bodies. That's the point. They can make whatever decision they want to their own bodies. I will not have them make those decisions for others.

And yes, I am equating the validity of anti-vaccination arguments with the validity of holocaust denial arguments. The insanity level is the same.

The anti-GMO arguments are mostly the same, but fortunately the government doesn't pay much attention to them and GMO foods doesn't have a lot of restrictions. Organic foods are ridiculous, but on the same level as, say, driving a very fuel-inefficient car.

We will see, people love the idea of compulsion lately. I'd rather lose on this issue than on gun control or something,

With enough caving in the idea of "force other people to do the things that we think are a good idea", my only hope is that one day, things that you like and think are a good idea are banned and the things that you hate compelled. That was a modern curse

[HoreTore]

We will see, people love the idea of compulsion lately. I'd rather lose on this issue than on gun control or something,

With enough caving in the idea of "force other people to do the things that we think are a good idea", my only hope is that one day, things that you like and think are a good idea are banned and the things that you hate compelled. That was a modern curse

Compulsion? I am not arguing in favour of compulsion. I am arguing in favour of not allowing people to decide over others. I can see that this is an issue you do not wish to engage with, but I'll try one last time:

Could you explain why a child should have no rights if given stupid parents? Why do you want to take away this individuals right to get vaccinated?

[Kadagar_AV]

I don't think the state should be able to order people to do stuff... That's a very slippery slope, and we know governments haven't exactly been 100% trustworthy historically speaking.

However, parents should be educated about vaccine.

What says that the state makes better decisions than parents, even stupid ones?

Say there came a vaccine with the unfortunate, and not predicted, side effect that you can't have children... Then it would be pretty good to have those Christian loons around, wouldn't it. To save the human race and all...

I'm not saying vaccines will lead to infertility, I am saying that the state should in no way be able to dictate what goes into your body, or your childrens bodies.

EDUCATION is the answer, not forceful measures.

But by all means, disallow unvaccinated kids to go to public schools, I have no problems with that. Heck, unvaccinated kids are probably those with christian loons as parents, and as teacher I am more than happy to not have to deal with them on a professional basis.

[Greyblades]

You know if a vaccine could hide symptoms of infertility from the exhaustive testing phases health systems conduct, which are specifically designed to detect such side effects, I think extinction would be inevitable regardless of abstainers. I say this only because the existence of such an insidious chemical would stand as proof that god is not only real but actively trying to kill us in the most inefficient yet ironic manner possible.

[Kadagar_AV]

You know if a vaccine could hide symptoms of infertility from the exhaustive testing phases each nations health systems conduct, that specifically designed to detect such side effects, I think extinction would be inevitable regardless of abstainers. I say this only because the existence of such an insidious chemical would stand as proof that god is both real and actively trying to kill us.

Hey, if God can create plenty of species just to lure us...

Anyway, vaccines don't get tested over, say, 10 years... Right? So a vaccine leading to infertility later on might go under the radar.

Or if it had a negative impact on... Whatever (brain functions)?

The state has done mistakes before, they will do it again, people are more than in their right to say NO to what the state wants them to do. You know, the state should serve the population, the population shouldnt serve the state and all that.

I take my vaccines, and I'd be glad to get rid of overly christian people at work... so for me it's a win-win.

It's about the principle, the state should never be able to force things on people.

[ICantSpellDawg]

Compulsion? I am not arguing in favour of compulsion. I am arguing in favour of not allowing people to decide over others. I can see that this is an issue you do not wish to engage with, but I'll try one last time:

Could you explain why a child should have no rights if given stupid parents? Why do you want to take away this individuals right to get vaccinated?

Not at all, if the child wished over the objections of the parents to inoculation then by all means. The law could absolutely say that, no qualms.

I understand what you are arguing, but I am arguing that the parents have right of refusal. You are saying that neither the parent or child has the choice, you are clearly arguing for compulsion.

[Kadagar_AV]

Let's be frank about where we are, as the human race.

We think spacecraft is strapping several tons of explosives on ones back, to jump to... The moon. That's what we know about the universe.

We think handling our bodys waste is done by using paper made of trees to smear up the worst of the... You know what.

We still have no answer to several life threatening or terminal diseases, and we only just now start to get a very vague grasp of what the human body and brain really is.


Should I in this era trust the state to enforce random things on me? Naaaaaah... They are elected by the majority... I find the average person extremely stupid, and let's remember that 50% are even more stupid than that.

I agree vaccinations should be opt-out, not opt-in, though.

I also believe the state should be able to dictate what goes for public schools, as it's what the majority wants.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Let's be frank about where we are, as the human race.

We think spacecraft is strapping several tons of explosives on ones back, to jump to... The moon. That's what we know about the universe.

We think handling our bodys waste is done by using paper made of trees to smear up the worst of the... You know what.

We still have no answer to several life threatening or terminal diseases, and we only just now start to get a very vague grasp of what the human body and brain really is.


Should I in this era trust the state to enforce random things on me? Naaaaaah... They are elected by the majority... I find the average person extremely stupid, and let's remember that 50% are even more stupid than that.

I agree vaccinations should be opt-out, not opt-in, though.

I also believe the state should be able to dictate what goes for public schools, as it's what the majority wants.

Good heavens, are you posting while sober?!? You're making reasonable sense and I agree.

[ICantSpellDawg]

Let's be frank about where we are, as the human race.

We think spacecraft is strapping several tons of explosives on ones back, to jump to... The moon. That's what we know about the universe.

We think handling our bodys waste is done by using paper made of trees to smear up the worst of the... You know what.

We still have no answer to several life threatening or terminal diseases, and we only just now start to get a very vague grasp of what the human body and brain really is.


Should I in this era trust the state to enforce random things on me? Naaaaaah... They are elected by the majority... I find the average person extremely stupid, and let's remember that 50% are even more stupid than that.

I agree vaccinations should be opt-out, not opt-in, though.

I also believe the state should be able to dictate what goes for public schools, as it's what the majority wants.

Kadagar is crushing it with the sense making lately.