Restless crowns: forging empires [Late era -Skip a few]

**Jiub** · 08-13-2014, 17:03

Hungary

@Myth Can I at least get confirmation anyone is looking into this ?
Loosing population and having no trade in and from Rennes no to mention the squalor is putting pressure on me. I's loosing me about almost 1500 per turn because of the plague.
I know it's worse for Spain, but that's none of my doing.

Edit: you're wrong on that account. the squalor is far more then just the spy.

edit: I'm taking the save once again to change the passwords and fine the k-shah, it will be posted below.

**sonnet** · 08-13-2014, 17:16

Originally Posted by Jiub

Hungary

@Myth Can I at least get confirmation anyone is looking into this ?
Loosing population and having no trade in and from Rennes no to mention the squalor is putting pressure on me. I's loosing me about almost 1500 per turn because of the plague.
I know it's worse for Spain, but that's none of my doing.

@Jiub ,Myth confirmed to me he's looking into the problem.
He already told me what it could be the punishment/compensation, but I won't say anything as he might make further considerations before make his decision final (I suggest you to send him your considerations: if you're losing 1500, and likely the plague will last 3 turns -so you should multiply by 3-, you should send this remark to him by pm, before he makes his ruling)
I think you'll get an answer within today.

PS: afaik plague doesn't affect squalor, actually it reduce it -undirectly as squalor gets reduced as population decreases-

**Myth** · 08-13-2014, 19:38

The plauge issue has been brought to me even before today as the HRE got infected.

However, ignorance of the rules is no excuse and I will punish Auran. Every settlement not owned by the offender will be given 2000 free population if they have been infected with the plague. I don't want to lose so much time doing trade math and loading older saves to see how much trade each city would get. Every affected faction will get 3000 per infected city. This happens once. So I'd like a report of each infected city with a screenshot as proof as well.

Spain will be fined 1000 gold per infected city not owned by them and will not be refilled with population.

I am against the two new rules. They can create too much drama with players taking actions into their own hands and breaking other rules to punish rule breaking (agent % chance etc). For a second offense of a rule previously punished the punishment will be even more severe. Even if another faction committed the rule breaking. So if you somehow missed the freezing of the K-Shah troops near Baghdad and you break the fort rule, you have no one but yourself to blame when I freeze your entire military force for 2 turns or something. So trust in me to prevent this IMO. This is just my opinion though you guys can add new rules as you see fit if there is a consensus.

My suggestion is to go and read the rules right now. Even if you think you know them. Even if you wrote them yourself. Go read the rules just in case.

EDIT: After checking again - there seem to be two instances of the plague appearing. One affects the Venetian armies who then spread it to the HRE settlements, the other one affects the Spanish spy. Since that is a pretty high experience spy Auran took him on a merry ride through half his lands and those of France.

I can't determine who spread the plague to Venice as there are many spies and diplomats going about in that chokepoint. So:

1. France will be reimbursed for all her affected cities.
2. The HRE will be reimbursed for Venice
3. Spain will be punished as stated above

Can agents other than spies spread the plague?

Now, I need a list of affected non-Spanish owned settlements in France.

**sonnet** · 08-13-2014, 20:34

Originally Posted by Myth

Can agents other than spies spread the plague?

@Myth : no, only spies can spread plague to settlements that are not your own.
While every character can spread plague in your own settlements.

**Myth** · 08-13-2014, 20:40

Save for Hungary: here

**Vipman** · 08-13-2014, 20:50

Squalor is only related to population number. Nothing else reduces or increases it except population and governor traits that affect squalor

What's with that fine for K-Shah, delaying because pf the password issue or something else?

And really I think we need to make it a rule in all hotseats you're not allowed to have the same password in more hotseats or you'll be fined... Seriously, create some simple random passwords and save them in a text file on your PC, or a saved message on your phone or something.....