Morality

[Kadagar_AV]

Here we go again.


1. The Christian ten commandments are more or less human rules. Lots of cultures go by them, and went by them before Christianity.

2. If you need the Christian God to be moral, how come other cultures and people have been able to reach morality without the Christian God around. Ghandi comes to mind.

3.Rather unimportant but just an amusing sidenote... Teen pregnancy is more common in more biblical states and surroundings... Just saying..

[Beskar]

3.Rather unimportant but just an amusing sidenote... Teen pregnancy is more common in more biblical states and surroundings... Just saying..

Because wearing a condom is preached as a bigger sin than sex before marriage.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Rhy please rise above typical religious talking points.

If you are an atheist and are looking for a system of absolute morals:

A. Read some Mill
B. Read some Kant
C. Read some Aristotle

and then pick one ffs.

And to everyone replying to me on how you can teach morality, I know you can teach morality. I asked the question so we can skip the pussyfooting around and have him just come and say the Bible is the alpha and the omega. Makes it easier to ridicule.

[HoreTore]

A. Read some Mill

Mill despised atheism, though.

Still, he didn't justify his reasoning on liberty by referring to a divine creator.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Mill despised atheism, though.

Still, he didn't justify his reasoning on liberty by referring to a divine creator.

According to wikipedia he was an atheist himself. And it even comes with two sources next to that statement!

[HoreTore]

According to wikipedia he was an atheist himself. And it even comes with two sources next to that statement!

Wow! Two!

Anyway, in On Liberty, while arguing that atheists should not be banned from civil service(as they were at the time), he writes that "although a lack of belief in a divine being is vile and despicable, they should not be banned from civil service". Or something to that effect, it's been a long time since I read it. And it was in Norwegian anyway...

I took that to mean Mill was not an atheist himself. He may have had other motives for labeling atheism as "vile and disgusting", however. I must admit that I don't know much about the man himself.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Wow! Two!

Anyway, in On Liberty, while arguing that atheists should not be banned from civil service(as they were at the time), he writes that "although a lack of belief in a divine being is vile and despicable, they should not be banned from civil service". Or something to that effect, it's been a long time since I read it. And it was in Norwegian anyway...

I took that to mean Mill was not an atheist himself. He may have had other motives for labeling atheism as "vile and disgusting", however. I must admit that I don't know much about the man himself.

I was being a bit facetious lol. As for On Liberty, you might need to dig deeper because it is possible that he said that in order to make his work more palatable to the public. Keep in mind, Mill was also one of the first to write in the public sphere for the inclusion of women into society and the human rights of women. You can only rock the boat so much before you start hindering your message.

[Vincent Butler]

Note that teen pregnancy is a departure from biblical values. Especially here in America, Christianity has become very lax, and accepted a lot of non-biblical influence. If everybody followed biblical values, we would be a much better culture. What is there to not like about values? Historically, a persecuted church has stronger Christians who adhere more to the Bible, than in a free country such as America. Nowhere, by the way, is using a condom taught as a sin, that I am aware of. Premarital sex is specifically named as a sin. Also, correct that morals have been around longer than Christianity. They have not been around longer than the God of Christianity. Right, I take it by faith, as stated, but so do atheists. People have always had some ideas of right and wrong. And for those who say they have no god, they are their own god. That is why there is no such thing as a true atheist, he always has some being he appeals to, be it himself, the government, nature, whatever it may be, that being is his god.

The rest of your post is simply assuming that everyone behaves and believes in a similar way that you do. This is false

Hence the belief in absolutes. If I did not believe that I was right, what would be the point in believing it? At least I have a basis for my beliefs. I am under no assumptions that everybody believes like I do, I am not that naive.

[rickinator9]

Note that teen pregnancy is a departure from biblical values.

Where in the bible does it say that teen pregnancy is wrong? And why were girls married as young as 12(so they could get pregnant in their teenage years) in medieval times, one of the periods in history that is characterised by a strict lifestyle based on Christian values?

[Vincent Butler]

The term "teen pregnancy" is usually used with the understanding that the pregnancy is outside of wedlock. As such, the girl (and guy) would be guilty of fornication, which is a sin. The guy is just as much in the wrong as the girl. If a teenager gets married, and marriages at eighteen or nineteen are not rare, or sometimes younger (though not necessarily advisable), and gets pregnant, that is usually not considered when people talk about when they say "teen pregnancy". Girls getting married at twelve is not wise, as her body is not yet ready for pregnancy. But they had such a short lifespan (partially aided by the pregnancies at that age) that it was important to have children at a young age. I am by no means excusing that practice, I deplore it. There was nothing strictly Christian about the medieval times, just curious, what makes you say that?

[Husar]

That is why there is no such thing as a true atheist, he always has some being he appeals to, be it himself, the government, nature, whatever it may be, that being is his god.

And for some people it is their religiosity or "christian values"...

[Kadagar_AV]

Note that teen pregnancy is a departure from biblical values. Especially here in America, Christianity has become very lax, and accepted a lot of non-biblical influence. If everybody followed biblical values, we would be a much better culture. What is there to not like about values? Historically, a persecuted church has stronger Christians who adhere more to the Bible, than in a free country such as America. Nowhere, by the way, is using a condom taught as a sin, that I am aware of. Premarital sex is specifically named as a sin. Also, correct that morals have been around longer than Christianity. They have not been around longer than the God of Christianity. Right, I take it by faith, as stated, but so do atheists. People have always had some ideas of right and wrong. And for those who say they have no god, they are their own god. That is why there is no such thing as a true atheist, he always has some being he appeals to, be it himself, the government, nature, whatever it may be, that being is his god.

Hence the belief in absolutes. If I did not believe that I was right, what would be the point in believing it? At least I have a basis for my beliefs. I am under no assumptions that everybody believes like I do, I am not that naive.

What biblical values? To keep slaves? To send women out to be gang raped?

How would your culture be better off by that?