People with culture enriching UK schools...

[a completely inoffensive name]

Do you really need to have communities to start voting for sharia law before you realize that proper immigration is more than just a background check to prevent suicide bombers?

[Fragony]

Do you really need to have communities to start voting for sharia law before you realize that proper immigration is more than just a background check to prevent suicide bombers?

Violent islam is pretty much non-existant. Let me put it this way; if you leave your country and want to take it with you anyway, than you are not an immigrant but a colonist. Immigrants from muslim countries are welcome, I have nothing against them. But I don't give a bloody-sucked fuck about their traditions and sensibilities. Get the fuck back if it makes it so hard. Piss off. Go love your sheep and herd your wives. Go away.

[Montmorency]

Some on the right - including Fragony - have suggested that the problem is fundamentally with Islam, while Muslim people are basically OK.

It's actually the exact opposite.

Well, not quite. Muslim people aren't all that bad. It's just that they're by culture very conservative by our standards.

But importantly, Islam is nothing. Extreme expressions of Islam are the result of conservative culture squared. Islam in itself is just a name for certain sets of customs, which are indeed quite flexible, as history and experience with other religions demonstrates.

Islam is no exceptional bogeyman that taints everything associated with it, as the 'phobes have it. Keep the Islam, and use it as a tool in bringing Muslim immigrants around to an explicitly social-leftist orientation.

The real problem is the local Christian right, which would hinder this program and beyond that foster unneeded mutual animosity so they can have their next holy war.

[Husar]

If you want flexibility, go ahead as an example and convert to Islam.

Of course if people come here and then complain about our entire culture and country that is pretty strange, on the other hand many of us only greet them with hostility and distance so it's not all that surprising that our culture doesn't always seem inviting or positive to immigrants. Basically the DDR was a better place in that respect, they welcomed the Chilean communists with open arms back when they had to flee because of the coup. Nowadays these Chileans are mostly well-integrated AFAIK.

[Fragony]

If you want flexibility, go ahead as an example and convert to Islam.

Of course if people come here and then complain about our entire culture and country that is pretty strange, on the other hand many of us only greet them with hostility and distance so it's not all that surprising that our culture doesn't always seem inviting or positive to immigrants. Basically the DDR was a better place in that respect, they welcomed the Chilean communists with open arms back when they had to flee because of the coup. Nowadays these Chileans are mostly well-integrated AFAIK.

Some on the right - including Fragony - have suggested that the problem is fundamentally with Islam, while Muslim people are basically OK.

It's actually the exact opposite.

Well, not quite. Muslim people aren't all that bad. It's just that they're by culture very conservative by our standards.

But importantly, Islam is nothing. Extreme expressions of Islam are the result of conservative culture squared. Islam in itself is just a name for certain sets of customs, which are indeed quite flexible, as history and experience with other religions demonstrates.

Islam is no exceptional bogeyman that taints everything associated with it, as the 'phobes have it. Keep the Islam, and use it as a tool in bringing Muslim immigrants around to an explicitly social-leftist orientation.

The real problem is the local Christian right, which would hinder this program and beyond that foster unneeded mutual animosity so they can have their next holy war.

Don't associate me with the right I don't want to have anything to do with them. It's just as so long as pragmatism and common sense exists the multiculteral left is in it's way. Before you get the wrong idea, I have nothing against muslims and immigrants in general. Welcome np. It's the multicultrural left that is dangerous, they will never change their mind.

[Kadagar_AV]

People with culture enrich the Swedish schools too.

To finish high school or get a gymnasium diploma, you need a G (lowest grade) in at least:
* English.
* Mathematics
* Swedish OR Swedish as second language.

As you see, the bar isn't set very high. Like at all, heck, they don't even need to understand Swedish on any higher level.

Yet, new figures are absolutely scary. Africans stand out negatively.


EDIT: in Sweden, high school are for youths 13-15, and gymnasium for people 16-18.

Don't get me started on the lack of Africans at university, or how completely bad the few getting in are doing.
* 35% of people born in other countries don't finish high school.

* More than 50% of those born in Afrika don't finish high school.

* Even Africans that have lived in Sweden for more than 10 years, have 26% who don't qualify for gymnasium

* Africans who are have lived here 4 years or less have 76% not qualified for gymnasium.


Our declining results internationally can thus, partly, be directly blamed on a massive amount of African immigration.

Also, we are creating a new working class, that don't even qualify for the most basic jobs, as high school education is the very minimum required for pretty much any job, cleaning jobs aside.

[Fragony]

Kinda funny, gymnasition is the highest level here. Puts some articles in perspective.

[Kadagar_AV]

Kinda funny, gymnasition is the highest level here. Puts some articles in perspective.

I don't quite get what you mean, could you elaborate?