The EBII Recruitment thread

[joshmahurin]

I believe he meant he lacked a degree in ancient history.

[Brennus]

I believe he meant he lacked a degree in ancient history.

Ah yes.

[Twigvest]

Hi,

I am here in response to a thread that was posted regarding the apparent uselessness of missile troops, and javelin troops in particular, as well as functionality of charges (if that can be fixed at all). It was said there was only one person working in that area. I want to help make this wonderful. I have zero knowledge of how to fix this and I will need to be told where/how to look into the problem, but I will apply a modest amount of time to the issue over the coming months, and I am qualified problem solver [physicist].

Other than that I have no knowledge of Ancient history (that I did not learn from this EB1), and simply wish to contribute to making the mechanics more functional.

Regards,

Twiggy

[Kull]

Hi,

I am here in response to a thread that was posted regarding the apparent uselessness of missile troops, and javelin troops in particular, as well as functionality of charges (if that can be fixed at all). It was said there was only one person working in that area. I want to help make this wonderful. I have zero knowledge of how to fix this and I will need to be told where/how to look into the problem, but I will apply a modest amount of time to the issue over the coming months, and I am qualified problem solver [physicist].

Other than that I have no knowledge of Ancient history (that I did not learn from this EB1), and simply wish to contribute to making the mechanics more functional.

Regards,

Twiggy

In addition to our "single guy" we have two other non-team volunteers working with him to address all the unit issues. I will tell you that our area of biggest crying need is somebody who is willing to dig into the traits mechanics. The good news is that it's really all about math (percentages) and coding (if/then and so forth, not vastly complicated). The downside, is there are a TON of them, and we don't have anybody on the team who is working this as a concerted project. As somebody with a scientific, logical bent, this might be an area where you could help.

That does not mean you'd be expected to sweep in and solve everything. Elephants are not eaten in one meal, and we understand that. Take a look at this file: <your m2tw directory>\mods\EBII\data\export_descr_character_traits.txt - spend some time getting a feel for how a few of the traits work and are awarded (the BIGGEST issue), and then let us know if that's something you would be ready to help us with. Thanks!

[Twigvest]

In addition to our "single guy" we have two other non-team volunteers working with him to address all the unit issues. I will tell you that our area of biggest crying need is somebody who is willing to dig into the traits mechanics. The good news is that it's really all about math (percentages) and coding (if/then and so forth, not vastly complicated). The downside, is there are a TON of them, and we don't have anybody on the team who is working this as a concerted project. As somebody with a scientific, logical bent, this might be an area where you could help.

That does not mean you'd be expected to sweep in and solve everything. Elephants are not eaten in one meal, and we understand that. Take a look at this file: <your m2tw directory>\mods\EBII\data\export_descr_character_traits.txt - spend some time getting a feel for how a few of the traits work and are awarded (the BIGGEST issue), and then let us know if that's something you would be ready to help us with. Thanks!

That is a monster of a file, I had a look at it yesterday. I'll be happy to go over it, after splitting it into bite size pieces. If you can send me/point me to any information on things that need to be added/or bugs that have been highlighted (I will read the bug threads later today), that would be great, otherwise I will glean over it as I understand it has all been hand written so I expect many copy-paste bugs.

[V.T. Marvin]

As for the bite-size pieces: the file is organized into "sections" and currently the one most complained about is the "Secondary traits/triggers" section resuting in generals getting too many negative traits too often (reportedly).

The other big issue is the "anti-trait bug" which was discovered only very late in mod's development. This bug results in attributes sticking on character after a trait giving them n th first place has been removed by an antitrait. Optimally we should remove all antitraits and use negative awards (Affect [trait] [negative value] Chance [chance value]) instead.

And of course there is a huge potential for creativity and new mechanisms - for instance you will notice that in the section devoted to factio-specific traits many factions has literally nothing at the moment...

And yes, it was all written by hand. If you will actually help here it would be awesome. I will try to offer as much help and advice as I could (feel free to PM me) because my time is now too constrained by RL to actually review the file over again.

[Twigvest]

As for the bite-size pieces: the file is organized into "sections" and currently the one most complained about is the "Secondary traits/triggers" section resuting in generals getting too many negative traits too often (reportedly).

The other big issue is the "anti-trait bug" which was discovered only very late in mod's development. This bug results in attributes sticking on character after a trait giving them n th first place has been removed by an antitrait. Optimally we should remove all antitraits and use negative awards (Affect [trait] [negative value] Chance [chance value]) instead.

And of course there is a huge potential for creativity and new mechanisms - for instance you will notice that in the section devoted to factio-specific traits many factions has literally nothing at the moment...

And yes, it was all written by hand. If you will actually help here it would be awesome. I will try to offer as much help and advice as I could (feel free to PM me) because my time is now too constrained by RL to actually review the file over again.

If you go to the bug forums, I believe I may have found the reason why generals are getting too many negative traits (bug in ICE generation), and offered a solution. Can you please explain to me the anti-trait bug? I was reading some guides on traits, and I suspect it is solved by setting the "NoGoingBackLevels" to a number strictly above the highest threshold for the trait prevents the trait being entirely lost when an anti-trait gains a level, and merely increments it down. If we're not talking about the same thing let me know.

If what I read in the guides is correct, some of the traits have been made to respect this bug, and others not. In these other cases "NoGoingBackLevels" are set that even if you increment by negative numbers, these traits will not go down, breaking your intended system of working around AntiTraits.

I would actually quite like to overhaul the traits and prevent the bugs you talk of, but I am also time limited (thesis due in 6 months), but it would be a nice way to procrastinate hehe.