ISIS on the offensive in Iraq

[Vincent Butler]

You need to come up with a reason why they would choose to do so.

I ask again: when they have no problems entering the country legally, why would they waste their time in the Mexican deserts...?

I imagine it would be quicker, I don't know how long it would take to get a legal reason to stay. But that brings up another point. Overstayed visas. Many terrorists overstayed their visas. I just looked at a report given before a House of Representatives committee, and it mentions that, and also terrorists who have tried to sneak across both the northern and southern borders. One who tried to sneak across the Mexican border bribed a Mexican official in Beirut for a visa. I will attempt now to post the link here.

[HoreTore]

I imagine it would be quicker, I don't know how long it would take to get a legal reason to stay. But that brings up another point. Overstayed visas. Many terrorists overstayed their visas. I just looked at a report given before the House of Representatives, and it mentions that, and also terrorists who have tried to sneak across both the northern and southern borders. One who tried to sneak across the Mexican border bribed a Mexican official in Beirut for a visa. I will attempt now to post the link here.

He didn't "sneak across", he obtained a fake visa and thus entered legally. 'Closing the border' would not have affected him. Overstaying a visa is another example of entering the US legally. Again, closing the border won't help.

Crossing the border illegally will most certainly not be quicker, and time is not an issue to terrorists anyway. Try again.

You are proposing to blow money on measures against non-existent threats. This will take money away from measures against actual threats. This may lead to underfunded measures allowing a terrorist to slip through. If another terrorist attack strikes the US, enjoy being morally responsible for the event.

[Vincent Butler]

He didn't "sneak across", he obtained a fake visa and thus entered legally. 'Closing the border' would not have affected him. Overstaying a visa is another example of entering the US legally. Again, closing the border won't help.

Crossing the border illegally will most certainly not be quicker, and time is not an issue to terrorists anyway. Try again.

You are proposing to blow money on measures against non-existent threats. This will take money away from measures against actual threats. This may lead to underfunded measures allowing a terrorist to slip through. If another terrorist attack strikes the US, enjoy being morally responsible for the event.

The border needs to be closed anyway to prevent illegal immigration. And the report expressed concern over the possibility of terrorists infiltrating through the southern border. Morally responsible for another terror attack? How? Because this administration does not like to pursue them overseas, if they attack here, how are those who want closed borders morally responsible for it? Now we are fortunate not to have been attacked again. But part of that is because of failed attempts, look at the Underwear Bomber. TSA does not stop many threats, or at least they don't mention doing so, I suppose they might be doing so and not reporting it; they just implement new measures after an attempt. I think attacking the terrorists' base of operations and eliminating their ideology is a better prevention then anything else anyway. Here is a link where Janet Napolitano admits that terrorists enter through the southern border, as well as other mentions of it.

[HoreTore]

It didn't express concern over terrorists infiltrating over the border. It expresses concern that terrorists are crossing the normal borders, in the normal fashion(though sometimes with fake papers). "Securing the border" won't do squat.

You are morally responsible because you advocate measures that will not work, and which will take focus away from the stuff that works. Your stance will thus make it easier for terrorists to enter the US.

[HopAlongBunny]

"Closing the borders!" amounts to a phantom solution.
The fact is undesirables find it so easy to enter legally, closing the border to illegals, solves virtually nothing.
Instead, if you devoted resources to finding and closing loopholes/mistakes that exist in the regular run of people entering, you would be further ahead.
That "illegals" are such a tiny fraction of the problem simply points to what a waste it would be to throw huge resources at it.

[Vincent Butler]

"Closing the borders!" amounts to a phantom solution.
The fact is undesirables find it so easy to enter legally, closing the border to illegals, solves virtually nothing.
Instead, if you devoted resources to finding and closing loopholes/mistakes that exist in the regular run of people entering, you would be further ahead.
That "illegals" are such a tiny fraction of the problem simply points to what a waste it would be to throw huge resources at it.

Well, look at the crime committed by illegal immigrants. Here are some statistics, and the report does acknowledge that it may not be indicative of the country as a whole. And look at the jobs they take from Americans, and not just "the jobs that Americans won't do". Anyway, I agree that we need to close the loopholes that people use, but the illegals are a larger problem than you make them out to be. But for Pete's sake, entering illegally is against the law. They should be forced to leave, and then if they want to reenter, make them do it the legal way, at the back of the line. I have no problems with legal immigration, my own mother is a resident alien. Our country was built on immigration.

[HoreTore]

Well, look at the crime committed by illegal immigrants.

No, we are talking about terrorism, not crime.

If you want to argue for tight borders because of crime, fine. Go do that. Just don't mix terrorism into it, as it has nothing to do with it.

[Vincent Butler]

No, we are talking about terrorism, not crime.

If you want to argue for tight borders because of crime, fine. Go do that. Just don't mix terrorism into it, as it has nothing to do with it.

That particular post, I was not including terrorism as a reason to close the border.

[Crandar]

At 5:10 this senior law enforcement official suggests replicating Israeli measures on the southern border.

It will achieve nothing.
In the winter, when the Colorado river will freeze, you should be prepared for hordes of refugees fleeing from Caliph Attila.