Anti-abortionists don't believe that life begins at conception.

[ICantSpellDawg]

You my say so, but your lack of action suggest otherwise.

Care to explain why you can't be bothered to stop the holocaust(-1)? Going by current abortion numbers, the US commits a holocaust every 5th year.

Are you going to sit quietly and watch it happen? Yup.

Would you sit quietly when faced with an actual holocaust? Nope.

What did people do when the actual holocaust was happening? I'm confused by your chain of thought. What would you be doing if you thought that it was actually a terrifying thing?

Lots of crazy and terrible stuff happens all the time. What does anyone do?

[HoreTore]

What did people do when the actual holocaust was happening? I'm confused by your chain of thought. What would you be doing if you thought that it was actually a terrifying thing?

Lots of crazy and terrible stuff happens all the time. What does anyone do?

So, you would remain calm when your government decides to kill a million a year?

Aren't you supposed to be armed to avoid that from happening? Where's the NRA?

[ICantSpellDawg]

So, you would remain calm when your government decides to kill a million a year?

Aren't you supposed to be armed to avoid that from happening? Where's the NRA?

Germans largely didn't fight Hitler. Even the ones who had an idea about what was happening. Almost every western government everywhere is complicit.

To add to that, there are issues regarding the health and safety of the mother, which are legitimate. The act is a moral crime, but it is not exactly the same as rounding up undesirables and gassing them to death.

Plus, if you have an issue with killing people I fail to see what armed insurrection will do that doesn't result in death and destruction. Also, it has been said before, we are winning the argument - abortion rates are decreasing and people are beginning to recognize that the unborn occupy a peculiar ethical area - they are alive by every standard, and they are human by every standard. Keep the pressure on, keep talking to people and getting them to abstain, use effective birth control correctly, and not murder their most vulnerable innocent family members.

Explain to people that they have a right to choose when they become parents, but that if they are pregnant they are already parents.

[HoreTore]

.....In other words, abortion is not equal to murder. Which kinda was the point...

When all you want to do is to push some legislation against it, you are showing that it's miles and miles away from murder.

[ICantSpellDawg]

It is different from murder - yes. We incarcerate murderers. Abortion is homicide, occupying a strata below murder and less justified than self defense. Less justified than the death penalty. It is somewhere just around a crime of passion, but even more disturbing. I wouldn't advocate jail times for the mother - but is should cause the Dr's medical license to be revoked unless it is to save the mother from death or serious injury.

Our laws do not recognize the act as homicide - until they do we will protest. We are capable of judging lesels of justification on the type of homicides being committed. When we pretend as a society that one type of homicide isn't a homicide at all is where we have a problem. Many European countries have a better balance than the US

[HoreTore]

It is different from murder - yes.

Good to see that you're not one of these loonies then.

[Husar]

The pictures in your second link show violently murdered babies, I've added a warning but a Moderator or Admin might remove it.

I'm not even sure how that is supposed to support your point. If they are lunatics for posting such images, then you are one for reposting them here. And either way they do actually show a rather inconvenient truth about late abortions because they look like violently murdered human beings. Most humans aren't really refined or finished at any time during their lives, so why would ripping a slightly unfinished human out of a womb with an adapted vacuum cleaner not be murder?

Please excuse that I haven't murdered anyone over the issue yet, I happen to believe that murder is not a great way to end murder.

[burphat]

I think the belief has something to do with religion. Catholics believes that life begins with conception. Logically, different from murder but with the same intent. That is to get rid of someone/"something".

[Seamus Fermanagh]

So, you would remain calm when your government decides to kill a million a year?

Aren't you supposed to be armed to avoid that from happening? Where's the NRA?

Individuals make that decision, Horetore. The government -- following Roe v Wade -- has interpreted the Constitution to mean that the various levels of government cannot unduly curtail a woman's ability to abort her child prior to viability.

Decision Summary:

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...the Court ruled 7–2 that a right to privacy under the due process clause of the 14th Amendment extended to a woman's decision to have an abortion, but that this right must be balanced against the state's two legitimate interests in regulating abortions: protecting prenatal life and protecting women's health. Arguing that these state interests became stronger over the course of a pregnancy, the Court resolved this balancing test by tying state regulation of abortion to the third trimester of pregnancy.

The Court later rejected Roe's trimester framework, while affirming Roe's central holding that a person has a right to abortion until viability.[1] The Roe decision defined "viable" as being "potentially able to live outside the mother's womb, albeit with artificial aid", adding that viability "is usually placed at about seven months (28 weeks) but may occur earlier, even at 24 weeks."[2]

In disallowing many state and federal restrictions on abortion in the United States,[3][4] Roe v. Wade prompted a national debate that continues today about issues including whether, and to what extent, abortion should be legal, who should decide the legality of abortion, what methods the Supreme Court should use in constitutional adjudication, and what the role should be of religious and moral views in the political sphere. Roe v. Wade reshaped national politics, dividing much of the United States into pro-choice and pro-life camps, while activating grassroots movements on both sides.

That is a far cry from the government euthanization program your posts so far in this thread have implied. The court ruled that government has a limited say in the matter -- not that the government would hereby be allowed to abort children.

And, as dozens of incidents attest, persons in the "pro-life" cause have adopted violence, including gun violence, to combat abortion.