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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    You'd have been even happier had the UK fallen apart as well.
    I'm not sure about that. The UK is a great ally. Dev max is different from civil war. I don't think any western country needs a violent confrontation at all. I was talking about our Saudi and other regional alies in particular. I am hopeful that their autocracy will have a more controlled and planned dissolution, under the constant friendly pressure of their western friends and allies, of course.
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    You'd have been even happier had the UK fallen apart as well.
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    Instead of looking at various conspiracies involving ISIS and the Kurds I would look no further than American domestic policy.
    The situation supports the American preferred mode of social welfare (defense spending) gives moderate support to oil prices when the world is awash (and the US is looking to sell) is a convenient threat narrative deflecting attention from real social spending priorities.
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    You favour destabilising your allies as well.
    No, we do not favor it. We're just ham-handed enough and Bull-in-a-china-shop subtle enough to accomplish the destabilization anyway.
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    What the frak are you talking about, Dawg? Since when are you such a nihilist? Either you've totally lost it, or you've decided to abandon any and all subtlety in your trolling.
    What nihilism? I've just said that everyone should be concerned with everyone else. Saying that humans are also naturally obsessed with killing one another is just acknowledging truth. Not nihilism. I don't believe in a God that has a problem with Just killing, even on a massive scale. I also don't think that war has any relationship with compassion. Everyone dies, when they die for something it is better than living for nothing.

    I like people and want them to be free to do what they want. People like Assad, IS, and al-Nusra; in violently denying others that right, kindly provide us with targets on which to focus our natural, and hopefully Just bloodlust. We should send them a thank you card.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
    No, we do not favor it. We're just ham-handed enough and Bull-in-a-china-shop subtle enough to accomplish the destabilization anyway.
    The you in that instance was singular and directed. Greyblades explained well enough the mentality behind it.

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    The you in that instance was singular and directed. Greyblades explained well enough the mentality behind it.
    Fair enough. I still stand by my estimate of our foreign policy effectiveness with our allies. I would prefer it if more US political leaders interpreted the phrase "special relationship" as referring to a partnering choice rather than seeing the words "discount price."
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    Something positive comming out of IS? Even Al Quaeda is saying chill the fuck up, but now also a lot of (supposedly) highly influentual clerics.

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    Actually (at least here) clerics have been calling for support against radical groups for quite some time.
    The latest manifestation of support is a handy-dandy bathroom book:

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manito...sque-1.2781062

    Its taken officials a long time to take the issue seriously, I only hope they're taking real measures behind the scene.
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    We've heard all the stories about Western jihadis going to fight with extremist groups.

    But, as my Kurdish friend has brought to my attention, it looks like some Westerners might now by going to fight against them. An American ex-Marine appears to have joined Kurdish forces to fight against ISIS. He also has a facebook page.
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    Hi Facebook page lists Warhammer 40k: Eternal Crusade as one of his "Games and Apps".

    He also looks like a stereotypical killer-super-marine-guy from a movie or TV series.
    And I wonder what made him go there and do that if it wasn't the idea of eternal crusade.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    Hi Facebook page lists Warhammer 40k: Eternal Crusade as one of his "Games and Apps".

    He also looks like a stereotypical killer-super-marine-guy from a movie or TV series.
    And I wonder what made him go there and do that if it wasn't the idea of eternal crusade.
    Not such a bad idea really. I stunned myself when I bought my first stun-gun because I just had to make sure it actually works (it works) so it's a bad idea, but I applaud him. Nobody deserves a straight face while knowing what cruelty is going on. We are watching a genocide and go back to work and wonder what's for dinner. Arab-spring cheermonkeys lost all interest since it turned out to be something completily different. Screw them so much, all real experts warned for this, but were laughed at.

    Wrong as usual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    Not such a bad idea really. I stunned myself when I bought my first stun-gun because I just had to make sure it actually works (it works) so it's a bad idea, but I applaud him. Nobody deserves a straight face while knowing what cruelty is going on. We are watching a genocide and go back to work and wonder what's for dinner. Arab-spring cheermonkeys lost all interest since it turned out to be something completily different. Screw them so much, all real experts warned for this, but were laughed at.

    Wrong as usual.
    Things like this have been going on for centuries and we often didn't even know about them. Why should I care more now because the internet makes the information arrive here a little faster than the salesmen on the silk road did? Not to forget that Assad has problems stopping them because the US supplied the rebels with weapons and the Iraqi army couldn't stop them because the actually somewhat decent Iraqi army with some semblance of morale was disbanded by eh, the will of god I think, after all GWB said god told him to invade Iraq so I guess it's all fine.


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    All societies have a background "loony" rate. Many of them want to kill the general public many want to kill other groups of "loons".

    The more that can be facilitated to undertake "care in the community" abroad with hopes, dreams, and a second hand assault rifle who with any luck won't return home the better - rather they kill and be killed over there rather than undertake massacares over here - if the Oslo chap had been bough a ticket alongside those two persons who killed a soldier with a machete in the street the world would be a slightly better place.

    The Foreign Legion is another great rehabilitation for past offenders who are slightly less loony - take all comers and at the end of it a clean sheet. Why on earth a criminal record precludes joining an organisation which practices killing people is beyond me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    Things like this have been going on for centuries and we often didn't even know about them. Why should I care more now because the internet makes the information arrive here a little faster than the salesmen on the silk road did? Not to forget that Assad has problems stopping them because the US supplied the rebels with weapons and the Iraqi army couldn't stop them because the actually somewhat decent Iraqi army with some semblance of morale was disbanded by eh, the will of god I think, after all GWB said god told him to invade Iraq so I guess it's all fine.
    Do I really have to explain why you are idiot, the political left exported millions because they usually vote leftist, bad idea no, now they don't know where to find a 99% white school. Look at the state Europe, especially in the UK and France. But also in Sweden and Norway. Once really good countries but now unsafe for women as they can get grabbed anywhere.

    Get it through your head, muslims don't think like you do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    Things like this have been going on for centuries and we often didn't even know about them. Why should I care more now because the internet makes the information arrive here a little faster than the salesmen on the silk road did? Not to forget that Assad has problems stopping them because the US supplied the rebels with weapons and the Iraqi army couldn't stop them because the actually somewhat decent Iraqi army with some semblance of morale was disbanded by eh, the will of god I think, after all GWB said god told him to invade Iraq so I guess it's all fine.
    Do I really have to explain why you are an idiot, the political left exported millions because they usually vote leftist, bad idea no, now they don't know where to find a 99% white school. Look at the state of Europe, especially in the UK and France. But also in Sweden and Norway. Once really good countries but now unsafe for women as they can get grabbed anywhere.

    Get it through your head, muslims don't think like you do.
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    Do I really have to explain why you are idiot, the political left exported millions because they usually vote leftist, bad idea no, now they don't know where to find a 99% white school. Look at the state Europe, especially in the UK and France. But also in Sweden and Norway. Once really good countries but now unsafe for women as they can get grabbed anywhere.

    Get it through your head, muslims don't think like you do.
    You do realize that back in the days of entirely white europe, there were all sorts of contraptions for women to protect themselves from sexual harassment in the dark when the train went through a tunnel, right?

    Yeah, those muslims are completely different to us.


    And calling Norway and Sweden "unsafe for women" is just nonsense.
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    Males of practically all species on the planet - and indeed even hermaphradites - are sexually aggressive towards sexually mature females. Females in turn have adapted traits to reduce the rate of pregnancy from unwanted males.

    Oddly enough, such traits have not been completely eradicated in the last 50 years in either gender - many young women want to appear sexually attractive and many young men want to act upon this, be that fighting off other males or making themselves attractive in turn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    You do realize that back in the days of entirely white europe, there were all sorts of contraptions for women to protect themselves from sexual harassment in the dark when the train went through a tunnel, right?

    Yeah, those muslims are completely different to us.


    And calling Norway and Sweden "unsafe for women" is just nonsense.
    You are safer in a township in South-Africa, Scandinavian towns are rape-havens for immigrants, you know that but you don't want to say it because your religion doesn't allow it. Everybody knows that the rape statistics in Scandinavia are the highest of the world when it comes to the ones doing it. You can lie to yourself I don't mind. But I know better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    You are safer in a township in South-Africa, Scandinavian towns are rape-havens for immigrants, you know that but you don't want to say it because your religion doesn't allow it. Everybody knows that the rape statistics in Scandinavia are the highest of the world when it comes to the ones doing it. You can lie to yourself I don't mind. But I know better.
    god Fragony you get worse as time goes on...

    South Africa is no 1 most dangerous in the world for Rape - Sweeden is no 6 and the rest of the Scandinavian Countries are in the 20's - for comparison the US is 14th

    and that only includes REPORTED rapes so unreported will throw things even further out

    While Sweeden does look dangerous at no 6 the truth is they have some of the most progressive laws regarding Rape which means a lot of these reported Rapes wouldn't be considered Rape outside of Sweeden which throws the stats

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    Do I really have to explain why you are idiot, the political left exported millions because they usually vote leftist, bad idea no, now they don't know where to find a 99% white school. Look at the state Europe, especially in the UK and France. But also in Sweden and Norway. Once really good countries but now unsafe for women as they can get grabbed anywhere.

    Get it through your head, muslims don't think like you do.
    What does that have to do with what I said? Is ISIS raping women in Norway now? Did they invade from the sea or did I miss them when they walked through here?

    I assume you agree with Lindsey on this:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    You are safer in a township in South-Africa, Scandinavian towns are rape-havens for immigrants, you know that but you don't want to say it because your religion doesn't allow it. Everybody knows that the rape statistics in Scandinavia are the highest of the world when it comes to the ones doing it. You can lie to yourself I don't mind. But I know better.
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    god Fragony you get worse as time goes on...

    South Africa is no 1 most dangerous in the world for Rape - Sweeden is no 6 and the rest of the Scandinavian Countries are in the 20's - for comparison the US is 14th

    and that only includes REPORTED rapes so unreported will throw things even further out

    While Sweeden does look dangerous at no 6 the truth is they have some of the most progressive laws regarding Rape which means a lot of these reported Rapes wouldn't be considered Rape outside of Sweeden which throws the stats
    I'd not call them "progressive", more like "draconian" where accusation is almost proof of itself.

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    What does that have to do with what I said? Is ISIS raping women in Norway now? Did they invade from the sea or did I miss them when they walked through here?

    I assume you agree with Lindsey on this:

    It's islam, simple as that. IS is just showing the world what the islam is, hopefully in time. Bedroomstory-moms, get a nap yourselsve. This IS islam. Somethingwe have been fighting for centuries. No the nice guy with the shoarma doesn't count, only the ones that laugh at any weakness we have. Result is obvious everywhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    It's islam, simple as that. IS is just showing the world what the islam is, hopefully in time. Bedroomstory-moms, get a nap yourselsve. This IS islam. Somethingwe have been fighting for centuries. No the nice guy with the shoarma doesn't count, only the ones that laugh at any weakness we have. Result is obvious everywhere.
    Which one of "our" weaknesses did they laugh at when they took parts of Iraq from the Iraqis? Our extremists are currently all leaving for Iraq to fight for their own extremist haven there, maybe we should just let them have it like we did with the jews and then they leave us to go there on their own if they don't like it here. Problem solved.

    I've also heard that they are supposedly spawned by Assad, at least the guy from the Syrian opposition who was on the Daily Show from Monday claimed that. Of course he might also have his own agenda that makes him say that.


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    god Fragony you get worse as time goes on...

    South Africa is no 1 most dangerous in the world for Rape - Sweeden is no 6 and the rest of the Scandinavian Countries are in the 20's - for comparison the US is 14th

    and that only includes REPORTED rapes so unreported will throw things even further out

    While Sweeden does look dangerous at no 6 the truth is they have some of the most progressive laws regarding Rape which means a lot of these reported Rapes wouldn't be considered Rape outside of Sweeden which throws the stats
    As any information consumer should be aware, there are three forms of prevarication (in increasing order of infamy).

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    So why are we still futzing around in the middle east again?
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    So why are we still futzing around in the middle east again?
    Because those missiles dont sell themselves.
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    [QUOTE=Sir Moody;2053619211]god Fragony you get worse as time goes on...

    South Africa is no 1 most dangerous in the world for Rape - Sweeden is no 6 and the rest of the Scandinavian Countries are in the 20's - for comparison the US is 14th

    /QUOTE]

    i know that, that is why it's such a great thing to say. Numbef six, wow, almost seems like Sweden doesn't has a problem.

    And we all know who does it, don't lie, you know
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    And we all know who does it, don't lie, you know
    The rapists?

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