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    Ask again, not going to read 25 pages for a post I may have missed
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    I am cute by default, what was your question

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    I am cute by default, what was your question
    How large the difference in IQ has to be in order to notice a difference between people. Since this is the 7th time I've asked it, I'll just give the answer:

    You need to move beyond one standard deviation to notice a slight difference between two people. 2 standard deviations is (easily) noticeable.

    Now, a couple more questions for you:

    1. How large is one standard deviation on the IQ scale in absolute numbers, assuming a 200 point scale with a 100 point average?

    2. Lynn's map includes several countries with an IQ average of 70 or below. How many people in the world have an IQ of 70 and below?

    EDIT: To make things easier, here's a picture you might find helpful:

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    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...yria-town.html

    Now a Kurd is doing a suicide attack against ISIS.

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    How large the difference in IQ has to be in order to notice a difference between people...
    Why do you people keep giving him attention? He has been doing this on this forum site as well as others for at least a decade.

    Let me make it clear for you: You are indulging his fetish. You keep doing it over and over and over again. You know exactly how he is going to respond and what he is going to say and yet you continue to press him for some sort of coherency while he continues giving vague side-steps like he always does.

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    Why would you do that?
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    Maybe that's my fetish?
    lol missed this one.



    And sorry Crossloper, but you will allways get the same answer for the same question unless somebody changes his mind. And there just isn't anything that does that.
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    Kewl, clashes between people with culture and kurds 'we kill you in Iraq and we kill you here'

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    But of course multiculture was the best idea ever.We can really learn from eachother

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    How large the difference in IQ has to be in order to notice a difference between people. Since this is the 7th time I've asked it, I'll just give the answer:

    You need to move beyond one standard deviation to notice a slight difference between two people. 2 standard deviations is (easily) noticeable.

    Now, a couple more questions for you:

    1. How large is one standard deviation on the IQ scale in absolute numbers, assuming a 200 point scale with a 100 point average?

    2. Lynn's map includes several countries with an IQ average of 70 or below. How many people in the world have an IQ of 70 and below?

    EDIT: To make things easier, here's a picture you might find helpful:

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    Been a while since I used one of these baby's, I forgot how substitution works, so I just say that I can't answer it.

    I would say we take the third generation who are on a level playing field, and see how they do (poorly).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    Been a while since I used one of these baby's, I forgot how substitution works, so I just say that I can't answer it.

    I would say we take the third generation who are on a level playing field, and see how they do (poorly).
    No we can't, since IQ is just one a shitton of factors determining academic success.

    The average Mensa member is a plumber, for example.

    EDIT: I'll give another answer then.

    One standard deviation is the first notation away from the zero(either direction) in the above picture. On the IQ scale, this means +/- 15 points, or an IQ range of 85 to 115 where there is no noticeable difference. This accounts for 68.2% of the human population. The second notation is 2 standard deviations. This is the ranges 70 to 85 and 115 to 130. Here you will find a noticeable difference from the average. The lower range is a bit slower, the higher range is a bit sharper. In terms of education, the lower range is likely to receive some additional support in some subjects, while the higher range is going to show good to exceptional ability in a limited number of subjects. This range covers 27.2% of the population. Combined with the group, this makes 95.4% of the world population. Now for the remaining 4.6%:

    This is where you will see a large difference. The ones with an IQ of more than 130 will show exceptional ability in almost all subjects. The higher up you go, the greater the chance that there's something else going on as well which is going to screw them up. At my school we get a few of these, roughly 1 student in every year group. The student who graduated 2 years ago was extremely capable in just about anything, capable of high-level mathematics, learning Korean fluently in 3 months(because "she started listening to k-pop"), writing stories with complex plots in a single lesson, and so on. She is now on her second year in a mental institution. We have one in the oldest class this year as well. Last year, the class learned Solid Works, an engineering 3d-modelling tool. They got around a month to create a 3d-model chair along with an investigation and reflections. A couple of days after the submission deadline, she turned up at the teachers office with a large stack of papers. It was her understanding that the teacher didn't really know the program(we got an engineer to teach it), so she figured she'd make a 60 page instruction manual on how to use the program. She's doing fine currently, but we're expecting a mental breakdown in late November.

    The other end of the scale, the 70 and below group, consists of the mentally retarded. An IQ below 70 is one of the criteria for conditions like Down's syndrome, and you will be submitted to a special education school or offered an assistant in every class.

    Combined, these two groups consists of 280 million people. The number of people with an IQ below 70 is 140 million. Looking at Lynn's chart, he has a number of countries listed with an average IQ of 70 and below. From the looks of it, roughly 1 billion people lives in these countries. Assuming normal distribution, that means he believes 500 million people have an IQ below 70.

    This is impossible. You can't have 500 million people with an IQ below 70, as the number of people with an IQ below 70 is exactly 140 million(rounded off). Assuming all people with an IQ under 70 are Muslims(clearly false, as Christians do have Down's), this can only make up one tenth of the Muslim population.


    The issue isn't that you're "provocative", Fragony. The issue is that what you're saying doesn't make any kind of sense. It is clearly false, and you are simply not knowledgeable enough to understand why it's false.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    No we can't, since IQ is just one a shitton of factors determining academic success.

    The average Mensa member is a plumber, for example.
    Than why ask me a number, that's impossible to calculate. That map just shows the average of the results of tests per nation, determening factore aren't on it. It's only a small part of a much broader theory. I haven't read Lynn's books myself mind you.

    But also in western countries some ethnic groups perform worse, that's not something I just make up just to be annoying.
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    Than why ask me a number, that's impossible to calculate.
    No, it's not. See my edit above.
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    Than why ask me a number, that's impossible to calculate. That map just shows the average of the results of tests per nation, determening factore aren't on it.
    I think what HoreTore is saying, is that either the map is completely made up or his IQ tests were completely broken.

    Where are the numbers from? Who tested the people and why can the map only be found on racist sites?
    If the numbers do not hold up against a shallow statistical test, one has to ask these questions and the map alone gives absolutely no answer to them.

    It seems unlikely that Mr. Lynn went around the world and tested a statistically significant number of people in each country. So how did he get his numbers? Using the "established science" of head measurements?


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