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    All are special - nationalize the lot of them.


    And ban the snake oil salesmen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    All are special - nationalize the lot of them.
    How many new chemical entities for human theraputic use have been developed by governments - anywhere?

    One of the few governments that could even attempt this would be Norway (due to costs)... yet they've not done so.

    If it is so easy to make these things and companies are oh so greedy with what they make and what they charge I'm surprised that there hasn't been more competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rory_20_uk View Post
    How many new chemical entities for human theraputic use have been developed by governments - anywhere?
    Penicillin?

    But no, Universities tend not to make products ready for sale - they just do all the research needed.

    I can't really see why Oxford, Cambridge or whatever should be unable to produce a medicine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    Penicillin?

    But no, Universities tend not to make products ready for sale - they just do all the research needed.

    I can't really see why Oxford, Cambridge or whatever should be unable to produce a medicine.
    We rarely, if ever use penicillin as is created by the mould, as the spectrum of activity is very low and it has to be given intravenously. I think "developed" is a rather flattering term for "accidentally found after poor sterile technique on a petri dish".

    Universities do set up spin off biotechs which again tend to do the pre-clinical work by themselves and then team up with a large(r) company to do Phase I-III trials / license and market the product.

    Universities don't have the hundreds of millions / billions to spare to get one registered - odds of a molecule getting between phase I and the market are something like 1 in 100. Big (bad, eeeeeevil) companies get money on the ones they sell to invest in R&D which more often than not goes nowhere.

    Then even when registered, most healthcare professionals demand vastly more trial data than purely to register a product - and guess what? That costs further millions now which might be paid back later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rory_20_uk View Post
    Universities don't have the hundreds of millions / billions to spare to get one registered
    States do.

    And so Uni's do. If we give it to them and tell them how to spend it.
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    Scam is such a loaded term, I prefer the expression "stupidity tax"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin View Post
    Scam is such a loaded term, I prefer the expression "stupidity tax"
    I have no problems whatsoever with the nigerian email scams. I consider that to be "Darwin in practice".
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    I have no problems whatsoever with the nigerian email scams. I consider that to be "Darwin in practice".
    So you think the poor and uneducated deserve to lose even more money?


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