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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    Because what Columbus did had a profound effect on the world and forever changed it, for good or bad. It's kinda like Times' Person of the Year - one's chosen based on influence and effect, not based on one's good nature.
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    A national holiday implies one's good nature.
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    No.

    A national holiday implies one's good nature.
    Well, Kenya has an Obama Day, so your point is invalid, since he is a pinko muslim socialist who wants to sell the greatest country in the world to its enemies.


    Anyway, Columbus day isn't really about Columbus. He's just a personification.

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    "A national holiday implies one's good nature." Err, like storming a Fortress used as jail (kind of Guantanamo Bay one)?
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    Well, Kenya has an Obama Day, so your point is invalid, since he is a pinko muslim socialist who wants to sell the greatest country in the world to its enemies.

    Anyway, Columbus day isn't really about Columbus. He's just a personification.
    As is said earlier in the thread, the reason why the day exists is because a group of Catholics wanted a Catholic hero/rolemodel for catholic children. It is about Colombus himself.

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    "A national holiday implies one's good nature." Err, like storming a Fortress used as jail (kind of Guantanamo Bay one)?
    Yes, storming the Bastille was a good thing.

    you don't have a "building the Bastille"-day in France.
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    Yes, storming the Bastille was a good thing.

    you don't have a "building the Bastille"-day in France.
    Yes, those lunatics were being oppressed.

    Someone here said that history is about what were should shouldn't forgive or forget. The latter is fair enough, but the former is BS. The study of history isn't about whether we forgive people or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    As is said earlier in the thread, the reason why the day exists is because a group of Catholics wanted a Catholic hero/rolemodel for catholic children. It is about Colombus himself....
    Columbus day had been celebrated in the USA for many years. The highest popularity of the celebration coincided with the USA's most "jingoist" era, from our centennial up until World War II. During this era -- when Kipling wrote of taking up the "white man's burden" without seeing anything hypocritical in it -- it is safe to assume that "revisionism" was not being applied to the rather superficial knowledge most yanks had about Columbus. Catholics used him as a standard bearer -- including my Knights of Columbus -- because he was both Catholic and moderately popular as historical figures went.

    Working together, the Knights and a powerful New York Tamany Hall leader (of Italian origin) convinced the Democratic President from New York to approve the Federal Holiday. In the NE, Columbus day was the Italian-American counterpart to St. Pat's for many people -- a celebrate your heritage day.

    Most Americans today celebrate the Holiday by watching ALL of Sunday Night Football without worrying about getting up the next day. A huge slice of them couldn't tell you why this Monday was a holiday and if you told them it was President's Day or Veteran's Day instead of Columbus Day they would probably agree with you and certainly wouldn't care one way or another -- except that they have the day off.
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