Ukraine Thread

**Brenus** · 11-29-2014, 19:27

"How can payments be ensured in Lugandon?" So, you agree that the money was never pay in reality, so it is a political stance endorsing the fact that the Ukrainian in Rebels lands are no more Ukrainian...?
You see, but, no you don't. you can't claim that Ukraine is one territory, and creating a apartheid. But, not the first time you don't see the obvious...

**Viking** · 11-30-2014, 11:36

It will be interesting to see how far the Russian economy will go on its path to go belly up. It could have quite serious implications that go far beyond this conflict alone.

**Gilrandir** · 12-01-2014, 17:50

Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV

I always wondered about this... How eastern European languages have such weird nicknames...

I was together with a girl, Olcia... I could also call her Alex... WTF?? They are in no way related.

Perhaps it was Olga? Alex is short for Alexandra, typically shortened to Sasha or (guess what?) Shura.
Speaking of non related shortenings, I can give you some: Dick and Richard, Bob/Dob and Robert, Mary and Mamie/Molly, Mathilda /Martha and Patty,and my favorite Margaret and Peggy....

Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

Gospodin, I speak 'murrican. Need to cut me some slack here.

"Gospodin" is Russian, the Ukrainian for it is "pan". Yes, you can call me that.

Originally Posted by Brenus

"How can payments be ensured in Lugandon?" So, you agree that the money was never pay in reality, so it is a political stance endorsing the fact that the Ukrainian in Rebels lands are no more Ukrainian...?
You see, but, no you don't. you can't claim that Ukraine is one territory, and creating a apartheid. But, not the first time you don't see the obvious...

I never denied the fact that Ukraine can't control some of its territory, that is why the decision to suspend financing it was sensible. But the money is accumulated on special accounts and when/if Ukraine resumes control over the said areas the money will be paid.
But admitting the obvious (the loss of control) doesn't presuppose recognition of any kind of separate statehood of DPR, LPR, Novorossia or other quasi-formations.
Like Ukraine doesn't recognize that Crimea is no more a part of Ukraine yet it doesn't finance the peninsula.

**Gilrandir** · 12-02-2014, 16:13

South Stream is history:
http://www.theguardian.com/business/...m-gas-pipeline

**a completely inoffensive name** · 12-03-2014, 09:35

How does that poem go? Oil, oil every where, nor any drop to sell...

**Gilrandir** · 12-03-2014, 10:06

http://www.euronews.com/2014/12/02/u...ent-ministers/

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 12-03-2014, 11:26

Originally Posted by Gilrandir

http://www.euronews.com/2014/12/02/u...ent-ministers/

A Ukrainian-American, Lithuanian and a Georgian... it says something about how much the climate in Ukraine has changed. Whatever comes out of this I think that pro-Russian sentiment in Ukraine is going to be unpopular for decades.

I don't suppose anyone can shed any light on why the Kremlin didn't see this coming?

**Gilrandir** · 12-03-2014, 12:20

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

A Ukrainian-American, Lithuanian and a Georgian... it says something about how much the climate in Ukraine has changed. Whatever comes out of this I think that pro-Russian sentiment in Ukraine is going to be unpopular for decades.

I don't suppose anyone can shed any light on why the Kremlin didn't see this coming?

Pro-Kremlin media are sure to say something like:"We told you that the USA is behind all Ukrainian government does, now America (through its ex-citizen, the Georgian and - not unlikely - the Lithuanian) will rule Ukraine directly". RT has already called the ministries they will run "the key ones",though I don't see how Health care may be counted as one and, say, Defense, Exterior and Inerior are not.
The problem with the appointments might be that the new Ukrainians will find it hard to battle against the whole corrupt system and, realizing that, they will abandon their posts. To avoid this they will have to sack a lot of employees of the corresponding ministries and management of whole branches of economy which may again cause overt and covert opposition.

**Husar** · 12-03-2014, 12:36

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

I don't suppose anyone can shed any light on why the Kremlin didn't see this coming?

It's fun to watch how you pro-westerners are desperate for approval from a distance.
Gilrandir already dreams up imaginary responses for him to refute, it's cute, but don't let it turn into complete madness.

But I will say that, while it's quite sad how the country does not seem to have appropriate talents of it's own, I applaud the flexibility.
Should have chosen a black person who was born in Russia for full flexibility, but this is a good first step.