Hostage Situation in Sydney CBD at Lindt Cafe

[Greyblades]

Every day I try to remember that for every cheney, murdoch and koch brother there are at least 100 people of thier power and influence who are not complete amoral psychopaths.

Some days are easier than others.

[naut]

Seems like on lone man... Why don't you just snipe him, or does he have some sort of dead-mans trigger?

The structure of the particular cafe the entranceway is very short before it comes to a wall, with the rest of the cafe extending beyond and behind that.

Hus:

Please don't quote Murdoch, the man is only tweeting to peddle his fear- and hate-mongering bile.

[Papewaio]

Mike Baird NSW Premier, just went out to the press and talked about "an attack that none of us could have foreseen"...

Yeah, Islamic terrorism is unforeseeable when you let muslims dwell

Good morning Australia, this is your wake up call.

Yes let's use one individual to characterize an entire broad faith. Might as well blame all Abrahmic religions if you are going to use such a broad brush.

[Kadagar_AV]

And how do video and sound save a guy who is wrestling someone with a shotgun? I assume that situation is what made them go in in the first place, but with no more info on the situation it's hard to say whether they could have done better at that point.
You get an A for pretending to know better though.



You may like this twitter account: https://twitter.com/rupertmurdoch

I might also not like that Twitter account. Now you are just grasping for ANYTHING to save face.

Regardless, I don't care about Twitter.

To explain tactics to you: No, video and sound would not save the guy wrestling with the "suspect".

Video and sound WOULD however alert the operational commander to at once deploy a tactical plan made for that situation (or like).

YES that situation was what made them go in, and HELL YES they could have done better. I say it again, tactically this was an embarrassment. They most obviously were not prepared.

The structure of the particular cafe the entranceway is very short before it comes to a wall, with the rest of the cafe extending beyond and behind that.

Hus:

Please don't quote Murdoch, the man is only tweeting to peddle his fear- and hate-mongering bile.

There are techs to work around that. Also tactics.

I state it again, the operatives must either have been incompetent OR have had their hands tied from above. I would put my money on the latter.

[Kadagar_AV]

Yes let's use one individual to characterize an entire broad faith. Might as well blame all Abrahmic religions if you are going to use such a broad brush.

Jews get 72 virgins if they blow themselves up?

Admittedly all Abrahamic religions are but some have some couple of hundred years head start when it comes to acting civilized at least.

[Papewaio]

The Troubles in Ireland was pretty recent. So I say ban all religion. We can start in Australia by removing the $250 million dollars spent by the federal government to put religious councillors (no non religious ones allowed). Should help repair the budget deficit too.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Mike Baird NSW Premier, just went out to the press and talked about "an attack that none of us could have foreseen"...

Yeah, Islamic terrorism is unforeseeable when you let muslims dwell

Good morning Australia, this is your wake up call.

2 million Muslims live in the United States. Fewer than 100 have been arrested for actions with terrorists/trying to join a jihadi group. While a few US Muslims have been involved in deadly terrorist incidents such as the Ft. Hood mass shooting, the combined number of deaths engendered by US Muslims falls well short of the Nichols/McVey massacre in Oklahoma City -- and they were not affiliated with Islam in any fashion whatsoever.

ALL countries would do well, within limitations imposed by the maintenance of personal liberties, to take measures against domestic terrorism. A Muslim population may be somewhat more prone to radicalization than some other sub-groups (statistically, per capita), but that is by no means the only source of problems.

[Kadagar_AV]

2 million Muslims live in the United States. Fewer than 100 have been arrested for actions with terrorists/trying to join a jihadi group. While a few US Muslims have been involved in deadly terrorist incidents such as the Ft. Hood mass shooting, the combined number of deaths engendered by US Muslims falls well short of the Nichols/McVey massacre in Oklahoma City -- and they were not affiliated with Islam in any fashion whatsoever.

ALL countries would do well, within limitations imposed by the maintenance of personal liberties, to take measures against domestic terrorism. A Muslim population may be somewhat more prone to radicalization than some other sub-groups (statistically, per capita), but that is by no means the only source of problems.

It is by no means the only source of the problem.

It is sure as hell a source of the problem though.

[Papewaio]

Disenfranchisement is a key part of the problem.

[KukriKhan]

Risenf

[Fragony]

faces http://www.elsevier.nl/Buitenland/ac...rpageid=158493

RIP

[Rhyfelwyr]

Hopefully things like this "illridewithyou" meme will stop the usual anti-Islamic populism from stirring up in response to this.

It has been a strange one. It feels more like an American lone wolf-style shoot up than the sort of Islamic terrorism we are familiar with.

[Fragony]

Yeah I don't think there is a greater picture here either, just someone who is mentally ill.