Ukraine Thread

[GenosseGeneral]

I can't wait for Putin's regime to experience December 1991 all over again.

Well, it would likely bring those into power whom we as the West do not want there, hawkish members of the vast Russian security apparatus for instance. Do not expect the economic-liberal faction inside the Russian political elite to succeed in a violent struggle for power. I think the world is better of with Putin than with a 'silovik' (term for members of the security apparatus) ruling Russia.

The worst outcome would be what was narrowly avoided in 1991 and 1993: anarchy in a country with a stockpile of several thousand nuclear warheads. Even the most hawkish hardliner in D.C. and Brussels should see that it cannot be the West's interest to 'put Russia on its knees'.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Well, it would likely bring those into power whom we as the West do not want there, hawkish members of the vast Russian security apparatus for instance. Do not expect the economic-liberal faction inside the Russian political elite to succeed in a violent struggle for power. I think the world is better of with Putin than with a 'silovik' (term for members of the security apparatus) ruling Russia.

The worst outcome would be what was narrowly avoided in 1991 and 1993: anarchy in a country with a stockpile of several thousand nuclear warheads. Even the most hawkish hardliner in D.C. and Brussels should see that it cannot be the West's interest to 'put Russia on its knees'.

Putin is a hawkish member of the vast Russian security apparatus.

Also, nobody wants Russia on it's knees - they just want Russia out of Ukraine, and Georgia, and Moldova.

Furthermore, Putin's stategy has done nothing but alienate the countries Russia meddles in. It's a case of griping sand so tightly it slips through your fingers.

[Gilrandir]

I think the world is better of with Putin than with a 'silovik' (term for members of the security apparatus) ruling Russia.

Putin with his KGB background is a silovik himself.
On last hours of Yanukovych as a president:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/04/wo...sted.html?_r=0

[a completely inoffensive name]

It is January 5th, 2015 and Putin is still a fascist.

[Husar]

It is January 5th, 2015 and Putin is still a fascist.

Not in most of Asia and Australia.

[Gilrandir]

Some thought provoking reading: http://www.unian.info/world/1029303-...d-islands.html
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/busine...up/503044.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/19/op...rsts.html?_r=0
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...n-9955854.html

[Gilrandir]

What Russia looks like today:
And an extract from a menu in Russia:
In Russian it says "Ukrainian borsch", but English-speakers mustn't know it is Ukrainian.
And one more curious development:
http://www.newsweek.com/fourth-russi...ss-year-297055

[CrossLOPER]

What Russia looks like today:
And an extract from a menu in Russia:

You are getting desperate.

In Russian it says "Ukrainian borsch", but English-speakers mustn't know it is Ukrainian.

Because Americans know what comprises a Ukrainian dish. Right? Those pesky Indians in the nearby town doing the same thing with their dishes is an outrage!

And one more curious development:
http://www.newsweek.com/fourth-russi...ss-year-297055

Not sure what this has to do with anything.