Quote Originally Posted by Greyblades View Post
Which is why i have said many times that only psychopaths and idiots allows the application of either exclusively.

Also if the result of "national humility" (or whatever you call the opposite of exceptionalism) is the self hatred and despair rory is exhibiting then you'll forgive me if I cling to national pride and to hell with all you who would put us down while hiding behind your own pitiful blood stained legacies. Britain's legacy isn't spotless but it is a damn sight more bearable than that of the US, and if they can find the pride to excell in thiers why the hell cant we?
First you say that one does not have to choose exclusively from extremes, then you say that because you do not like one extreme, you choose the other extreme?