ISIS on the offensive in Iraq

**Pannonian** · 03-05-2015, 21:39

Originally Posted by Kagemusha

My bet is that the forces of "Iraqi Army", while the actual force is made mostly of Shia militants and Iranian forces is going to win the battle over Tikrit.

IS has lost its momentum and is starting to grumble, they are only making more and more enemies with their conduct and simply cant win with the odds stacked against them. Which for the best for everyone. Im not sure if IS can actually run anywhere from Tikrit, as their supply routes are being cut off and they might find themselves surrounded soon enough.

I'm not sure which scenario would be best for our interests. That the IS should get snuffed out ASAP. Or that it should maintain a slim communications corridor so that disaffected Muslims in the west can make their way there in time to get blatted. A long running war with us sitting out might do the trick.

**GenosseGeneral** · 03-05-2015, 22:16

Originally Posted by Pannonian

I'm not sure which scenario would be best for our interests. That the IS should get snuffed out ASAP. Or that it should maintain a slim communications corridor so that disaffected Muslims in the west can make their way there in time to get blatted. A long running war with us sitting out might do the trick.

Well, there is still Libya as a potential place to be for the global Djihadi elite.
Although, from my knowledge, the main problem we Europeans have with Djihadis going to Syria is not them fighting there, but returning here. After 2 years spent cutting off peoples' heads in front of cameras. Ask the French about how great it is when these people continue their business here.

**Brenus** · 03-05-2015, 22:43

Hmm, as much as I know, none of the killers had at least the guts to go for a real fight against the Peshmerga. Their "professionalism" was good enough to kill unarmed civilians and 2 poor cops equipped with handgun, this with the surprise on their side.
I think, but I have indeed no substance to really be certain, that most of the ones who will succeed to escape (in between caught and handed over), most of them will be to busy to escape Justice and responsibilities for their actions...
The fanatics are the ones who in fact never lived in the "holly" country, as they have a "dream" in their head, seeing themselves as the SS saw themselves. However, at the end, German SS melted in the crowd, burning with red poker their blood group tattooed under their arm when the Foreign SS, being French and Belgium, had no choice than to die in Berlin...

**Fragony** · 03-06-2015, 07:41

Originally Posted by Pannonian

I'm not sure which scenario would be best for our interests. That the IS should get snuffed out ASAP. Or that it should maintain a slim communications corridor so that disaffected Muslims in the west can make their way there in time to get blatted. A long running war with us sitting out might do the trick.

That would certainly be the best for us at least, kinda cynical. What should have been done and still hasn't been done, making sure they can't come back, or have nothing to come back to should they manage to come back anyway.

**Husar** · 03-06-2015, 13:00

Originally Posted by Fragony

or have nothing to come back to should they manage to come back anyway.

Burn down our cities!

**Fragony** · 03-06-2015, 17:47

Originally Posted by Husar

Burn down our cities!

I was more thinking about taking out their lifelines, freezing all bank-accounts, no chance to settle anywhere, every civil-right gone. All human-rights respected but nothing more than that, no favours, total rejecfion, and assasination when it's needed.

**Fragony** · 03-07-2015, 07:55

Barbarians http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/06/wo...=WT.mc_id&_r=0

How do they justifie this, surely allah must have existed before mohammed

**Ironside** · 03-07-2015, 11:21

Originally Posted by Pannonian

I'm not sure which scenario would be best for our interests. That the IS should get snuffed out ASAP. Or that it should maintain a slim communications corridor so that disaffected Muslims in the west can make their way there in time to get blatted. A long running war with us sitting out might do the trick.

Well ISIS seems to have goals that can be broken, so breaking the caliphate in particular should be a priority. And crush their funding sources and propaganda network.

Originally Posted by Fragony

Barbarians http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/06/wo...=WT.mc_id&_r=0

How do they justifie this, surely allah must have existed before mohammed

Some sort of demonstration of their fanatical devotion. Zealots like it big and public. After deciding this, you only need to read a passage the "original way" (that none else in power has ever done before for more than 1000 years), you you're set.

In the case if ISIS, pissing everyone off might also be a point. Since they have this yarn to crate the final battle.

**Husar** · 03-07-2015, 11:36

Originally Posted by Fragony

Barbarians http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/06/wo...=WT.mc_id&_r=0

How do they justifie this, surely allah must have existed before mohammed

Those statues are idolatry and represent the worship of false gods, they are some kind of abomination for hardline christians as well I would think. Though most christians wouldn't really care, I just say I can see where they're coming from on this.

**Rhyfelwyr** · 03-07-2015, 11:42

Originally Posted by Husar

Those statues are idolatry and represent the worship of false gods, they are some kind of abomination for hardline christians as well I would think. Though most christians wouldn't really care, I just say I can see where they're coming from on this.

As the resident Christian fundie, I can say that we have no problem with such statues. We would disagree with worshipping them obviously, but our answer would not be to go on an iconoclastic rampage and destroy thousands of years or heritage.