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    "Ideology of Communism has some similar features:exporting socialist revolution (which can be equated to expanding the ideoligically friendly space), superiority of one social group (proletariat), annihilation of class enemies and their minions." Nope. There is no equivalent in Communist Ideology of My Kampf. Nazism is quite unique in this (well, excepted of course the main 3 monotheistic religions, and probably the polytheistic as well, but I am not sure of the last ones).
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    "I've been in few famous last stands, lad, and they're butcher shops. That's what Blouse's leading you into, mark my words. What'll you lot do then? We've had a few scuffles, but that's not war. Think you'll be man enough to stand, when the metal meets the meat?"
    "You did, sarge", said Polly." You said you were in few last stands."
    "Yeah, lad. But I was holding the metal"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus View Post
    There is no equivalent in Communist Ideology of My Kampf.
    Nope.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Communist_Manifesto
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrandir View Post
    Have you read either? They're not even remotely similar.

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    "Have you read either?" he obviously didn't. The Communist Manifesto is not a political platform, but a discussion about Communism...
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire.

    "I've been in few famous last stands, lad, and they're butcher shops. That's what Blouse's leading you into, mark my words. What'll you lot do then? We've had a few scuffles, but that's not war. Think you'll be man enough to stand, when the metal meets the meat?"
    "You did, sarge", said Polly." You said you were in few last stands."
    "Yeah, lad. But I was holding the metal"
    Sergeant Major Jackrum 10th Light Foot Infantery Regiment "Inns-and-Out"

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    It is April 30th, 2015.

    Is Putin still a fascist?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
    It is April 30th, 2015.

    Is Putin still a fascist?
    I think he is misunderstood. He just wants to be loved, like all proper cartoon super villains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    He just wants to be loved, like all proper cartoon super villains.
    Loved or made love to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus View Post
    "Have you read either?" he obviously didn't. The Communist Manifesto is not a political platform, but a discussion about Communism...
    Again jumping to conclusions
    I have STUDIED "Manifesto" at school and University.
    The basic tenets I referred to:
    Societies have always taken the form of an oppressed majority living under the thumb of an oppressive minority. In capitalism, the industrial working class, or proletariat, engage in class struggle against the owners of the means of production, the bourgeoisie. As before, this struggle will end in a revolution that restructures society, or the "common ruin of the contending classes".
    The bourgeoisie constantly exploits the proletariat for its labour power, creating profit for themselves accumulating capital. However by doing so the bourgeoisie "are its own grave-diggers"; the proletariat inevitably will become conscious of their own potential and rise to power through revolution, overthrowing the bourgeoisie.

    "Proletarians and Communists", the second section, starts by stating the relationship of conscious communists to the rest of the working class. The communists' party will not oppose other working-class parties, but unlike them, it will express the general will and defend the common interests of the world's proletariat as a whole, independent of all nationalities.
    These basic tenets were further elaborated and developed by Lenin and Stalin, so while communism can't claim that it has a single "Bible" (as nazism does) still its doctrines are expounded in a number of theoretical treatises.
    It is true, though, I didn't read Mein Kampf. I know only general ideas expressed in it. Yet, the points I mentioned about communist ideology (exporting socialist revolution, superiority of one social group, annihilation of class enemies and their minions) may be said to be common for both sources and consequently ideologies.
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