Cal-state: northridge registration game.

[Kadagar_AV]

Feminazism reached the US too?

This is how we have had it in Sweden since the very early 2000's...

Heck, our oldest and most renowned university have to GENUS-CERTIFY each and every class they hold... And yes, that goes for mathematics and stuff too - "But do you bring forward FEMALE mathematicians historically?"

[Ironside]

Feminazism reached the US too?

This is how we have had it in Sweden since the very early 2000's...

Heck, our oldest and most renowned university have to GENUS-CERTIFY each and every class they hold... And yes, that goes for mathematics and stuff too - "But do you bring forward FEMALE mathematicians historically?"

Meh that's easy. Astronomy, early computer programming and WWII code breaking. Basically works that were time consuming and boring, so you delegated them.

On the original topic, I get the point.
It's to get out facts, dealing with false preconceptions and self denial. And you have to do a stronger test than something you can simply troll through without bothering to read. The method is very blunt though.

I can understand the motivation behind this game but it seems rather disproportionate and I doubt that it's very effective. People who are smart enough to take university classes will generally be able to spot which answer is the one you're expected to pick. If you're unlucky you might have to try twice, but either way it seems unlikely that this will have any impact on the students behaviour. Someone who is a pompous, sexist jerk is not likely to undergo a change of character simply by taking this test.

It's not aimed at mr pompous, sexist jerk. It's aimed at those who would change their behaviour if they start considering it from a female perspective. If you think that no means yes, you're probably not going to even notice that the girl you insisted to sleep with didn't take it well afterwards.

[Montmorency]

The thingie at my university was quite mild. Just basically a tailored version of the drug abuse video tutorial we had to click through upon matriculation. Also, we were given a month to get through it (the sexual assault awareness material).

The OP program isn't exactly radically different - it's just more explicit about what the makers find unacceptable. (Though the design of this version does bring to mind certain United States HomeSec-type questions, like "Are you a terrorist" or "Have you ever been a member of a Communist party", making it somewhat sillier than usual.)

What people should be upset about is that universities are treating the whole endeavour as a joke. If you're going to do something, make up a serious program, maybe divide students into small groups according to age, interests, schedules, etc, and allow them to talk through their beliefs and feelings in a moderated context for an hour or two. Of course, one could argue this too would fall short from anyone's perspective, but an "oh yeah, here's some thing we put together, our job here is done" attitude on the schools' part does disservice to everyone. Better to just leave the issue alone entirely, in that case.

[Greyblades]

The issue is that it's 3 hours long and if you give the "wrong" answers it makes you start over from the beginning. 6 hours or more of that and it becomes damn near brainwashing by sensorary deprivation.

I mean I can only imagine it like getting stuck in disney's: "its small world" ride for half the day, you dont come out of that the same man.

[Sir Moody]

What people should be upset about is that universities are treating the whole endeavour as a joke. If you're going to do something, make up a serious program, maybe divide students into small groups according to age, interests, schedules, etc, and allow them to talk through their beliefs and feelings in a moderated context for an hour or two. Of course, one could argue this too would fall short from anyone's perspective, but an "oh yeah, here's some thing we put together, our job here is done" attitude on the schools' part does disservice to everyone. Better to just leave the issue alone entirely, in that case.

I am amazed no-one has mentioned this yet but they are treating it as a joke because they don't actually want to do it - for all Greys talk of the evil feminist rulers of Cal state they are complying with Federal laws requiring Collages to provide sexual violence prevention and awareness programs, and instead of oh I don't know actually educating the students have opted for a much lower cost alternative...

That's right gentlemen - no feminists in the shadows here just the Federal Government and lazy, cost cutting bureaucrats...

[Kadagar_AV]

I am amazed no-one has mentioned this yet but they are treating it as a joke because they don't actually want to do it - for all Greys talk of the evil feminist rulers of Cal state they are complying with Federal laws requiring Collages to provide sexual violence prevention and awareness programs, and instead of oh I don't know actually educating the students have opted for a much lower cost alternative...

That's right gentlemen - no feminists in the shadows here just the Federal Government and lazy, cost cutting bureaucrats...

So if not for feminists, mind you tell us exactly what brought the Federal Government go that way?

[Sir Moody]

So if not for feminists, mind you tell us exactly what brought the Federal Government go that way?

Several high profile rape cases.

[Kadagar_AV]

Meh that's easy. Astronomy, early computer programming and WWII code breaking. Basically works that were time consuming and boring, so you delegated them.

And why?

Sorry to rock your boat, but let me rephrase my thinking... What mathematical EXCELLENT MINDS have women produced?

Don't get me wrong, there are some women comparable in some fields. But that's the exception, not the rule.


MY PROBLEM is when universities start to teach 50/50 on women/men gender based when they teach mathematical history, for political reasons, instead of teaching what great minds brought mathematics forwards and why - regardless of sex.

[Husar]

It's true, men are better at most things: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/scie...rch-shows.html

[Sarmatian]

And why?

Sorry to rock your boat, but let me rephrase my thinking... What mathematical EXCELLENT MINDS have women produced?

Since they gave birth to them, one could say, all of them.

But, you've asked a loaded question. Very few women even got a chance to learn math before half a century, or a century ago, and one always has to account for cultural bias (girls don't need math!). But, as that is getting less prevalent, girls are getting better in maths.

In 2012 PISA tests, girls were really close to boys in maths, and even ahead in some countries.

[Greyblades]

Gentlemen are we really going to bury our heads every time feminists go too far by by pointing to our pet male chauvinist?

To get into a university course you have to partake in this preachy and rather patronising multiple choice game where every time you do not respond the way the maker wants you are made to rewatch the previous scene, then at the end you have to do an opinion quiz where if your opinion does not match up to the maker's you are made to restart the entire tedious process over.

Whether you agree with it or not it is rather blatant that it's methodology is that "you WILL learn to side with my opinion, or you will repeat the lesson, until you comply you will not progress ." It doesnt matter if you think the opinion is right if the method of it's propagation is blatant coercion.

If you still dont have a problem with this, replace the maker's opinion with kadagar's.

[Husar]

If it happens in an anglo country it does not worry me, anglo countries take everything to the extreme.

One used to have an extreme empire.
One has an extreme army.
One has extreme numbers of poisonous animals.
One has extreme public surveillance.
One or more have extreme zero tolerance policies at schools.
In all anglo countries everyone is extremely concerned about being so extreme.
And so on (this is really just a small selection of my "prejudices" but I love you anyway).

English is a wonderful language but I wouldn't want my kids to grow up with it as their mother tongue, it might make them extreme.

And if the game isn't dynamic, people will probably spread the right answers somewhere on the innernets, like in a fraternity Facebook group where they usually share pictures of women on toilets that they took on campus or something like that. You might call it a waste of time and so might I but there are quite a few of those around nowadays. Imagine you spend 3 hours writing a job application and then don't get the job and are still thankful to the job creators and write 99 more. You also have to agree with the government not to murder people or you WILL be thrown into a jail.

So what exactly is the argument? That students should have the right to think that rape is fine and still get to reap the same benefits as the rest of society? What are the specific questions that are overly patronising and which are the answers noone should be forced to give?
The screenshot of Q2-Q7 only has statements where you should probably just answer strongly disagree and get on with life unless they are trick questions from male advocats. (Warning: half a joke in there!!!)

[Greyblades]

If it happens in an anglo country it does not worry me, anglo countries take everything to the extreme.

One used to have an extreme empire.
One has an extreme army.
One has extreme numbers of poisonous animals.
One has extreme public surveillance.
One or more have extreme zero tolerance policies at schools.
In all anglo countries everyone is extremely concerned about being so extreme.
And so on (this is really just a small selection of my "prejudices" but I love you anyway).

English is a wonderful language but I wouldn't want my kids to grow up with it as their mother tongue, it might make them extreme.

Said by the nationality that in the span of thirty years gave us exhibit A of the results of both extremes of the nationalism scale. Or perhaps do you like me occasionally object to what our nations do?

And if the game isn't dynamic, people will probably spread the right answers somewhere on the innernets, like in a fraternity Facebook group where they usually share pictures of women on toilets that they took on campus or something like that. You might call it a waste of time and so might I but there are quite a few of those around nowadays. Imagine you spend 3 hours writing a job application and then don't get the job and are still thankful to the job creators and write 99 more. You also have to agree with the government not to murder people or you WILL be thrown into a jail.

So what exactly is the argument? That students should have the right to think that rape is fine and still get to reap the same benefits as the rest of society? What are the specific questions that are overly patronising and which are the answers noone should be forced to give?
The screenshot of Q2-Q7 only has statements where you should probably just answer strongly disagree and get on with life unless they are trick questions from male advocats. (Warning: half a joke in there!!!)

Ignoring the ever so prevalent sexist assumption of "most men need to be told not to be rapists":

The argument is that if the message is so obvious why is agreeing to it being imposed as a pre-requisite for higher education instead of being allowed to stand on it's own merit? Forcing it on students gives the impression the people setting it arent secure in thier beliefs to allow criticism. That you must state you disgree with these things or have to go through teh song and dance again and again until you get it right, well, it seems less "this is a good idea" and more "Dont question doctrin"