British Election: peaceful revolution

[InsaneApache]

Hrm, the conservative blogs are throwing this around saying milliband has promised to make islamaphobia a hate crime. If it were true it would be a great way to make me, a recent appreciator of free speech, vote against his party, which is probably why they are spreading it around and why I want confirmation before tomorrow, which I can't find.

Politics, huh.

http://www.secularism.org.uk/news/20...-what-he-means

Nice. Now those rape gangs in Yorkshire and across the rest of the north can kneel easy on their prayer mats.

The main reason I don't like the Labour party is that it is based on hate, spite and envy. I have first hand experience of these types. Many years ago, 1973 to be precise, I met Jenny Lee. She turned up in this huge black roller, clad from top to bottom in Norman Hartnell and dripping in gold. She was cheered to the rafters by all these raggy arsed scousers who could barely afford shoes.

"She's one of us", they cried.

I looked at them, in their threadbare clothes and then at this Baroness, replete with gold bling and fancy car and thought that they were quite mad. She coudn't be any further away from them if she went to live on Pluto.

Don't even get me going about her husband Nye Bevan and that evil twisted little get Manny Shinwell.

[a completely inoffensive name]

More of the same. With all of the time spent talking about UKIP, I thought they would be at least breaking double digit numbers in parliament. What a joke.

[Sir Moody]

More of the same. With all of the time spent talking about UKIP, I thought they would be at least breaking double digit numbers in parliament. What a joke.

UKIP are a victim of the FPTP system - they will get a large amount of the "popular" vote - this doesn't however translate into seats - thank god...

[Greyblades]

It's hard to gain support to split the EU while everyone's worried about trying to preserve the UK.

Still, it is tempting to put a vote in thier pile, just to put some fear into both the big 3 parties and the EU.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

More of the same. With all of the time spent talking about UKIP, I thought they would be at least breaking double digit numbers in parliament. What a joke.

they'll likely get between a tenth and a sixth of the vote, out performing the Lib-Dems by a considerable margin, but this will not translate into seats. What they will actually achieve will be to undercute the Conservative vote, and as the Cons have committed to an in-out Referendum if they win a majority UKIP have become self defeating.

If what they wanted was a referendum then they would have rescued themselves from the election and told all their supporters to vote Tory.

[InsaneApache]

It's never 'self defeating' to vote for what you believe in.

[Papewaio]

You need to modernize with preferential voting.

[Beskar]

Many years ago, 1973 to be precise, I met Jenny Lee. She turned up in this huge black roller, clad from top to bottom in Norman Hartnell and dripping in gold. She was cheered to the rafters by all these raggy arsed scousers who could barely afford shoes.

"She's one of us", they cried.

I looked at them, in their threadbare clothes and then at this Baroness, replete with gold bling and fancy car and thought that they were quite mad. She coudn't be any further away from them if she went to live on Pluto.

You know, if you replace "Jenny Lee" with "Nigel Farage", turning up with his city banker background at the 'local pub to drink a pint with the working class', and replacing "Scousers" with "UKIP Supporters", you have the year 2015 equivalent.

[InsaneApache]

You know, if you replace "Jenny Lee" with "Nigel Farage", turning up with his city banker background at the 'local pub to drink a pint with the working class', and replacing "Scousers" with "UKIP Supporters", you have the year 2015 equivalent.

Not the same at all and you know it. One pretends to be down with the people, the other one is down with the people. I'll give you a clue. The latter doesn't have an effin' great big black Rolls Royce.

[Rhyfelwyr]

The heads are rolling. Looks like Miliband, Clegg and Farage will all be quitting. This result has been a shock given the polls beforehand.

[Beskar]

Not the same at all and you know it. One pretends to be down with the people, the other one is down with the people. I'll give you a clue. The latter doesn't have an effin' great big black Rolls Royce.

Just an anti-immigratation party when the leaders wife is a immigrant.
Popularist party with no real policies other than saying what would get them elected with the most crafted media image which provokes a bad boy image intentionally.
i can go on...

[Greyblades]

I disagree. I do not see the desire for independance as a reason in and of itself to leave, and I dont want to see them go. That a lot of thier grievances are ones I think a lot of the rest of us would agree need dealing with compunds my feeling.

Just an anti-immigratation party when the leaders wife is a immigrant.
Popularist party with no real policies other than saying what would get them elected with the most crafted media image which provokes a bad boy image intentionally.
i can go on...

I would argue the importance of UKIP is not it's conduct, though that is worrying, but it's popularity.

I think the main parties need to take more notice of UKIP, not because Farage is 100% right but because UKIP's success tells us they represents something important; They do something the other parties dont and that thing is important enough to make a lot of people willing to risk voting in the hyper nationalists just to get it addressed.

Fortunately they are still small, they can still be undercut and I hope the referendum does so.