Ukraine Thread

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews

In the UK Antisemitism is considered racism, not religious prejudice. Germany may have developed a different view post-holocaust but, in the West, Jews have historically been seen as racially apart, a view supported by the practice of intermarriage for reasons of religion. That's not to say that everybody who has a Jewish nose (like a Roman nose it really is a thing) has grandparents who were practicing Jews, but still.

[Montmorency]

"Jew" is best considered as denoting ethnic membership or identity. It has more to do with upbringing and perceived historical grounding than religious practice (of course hardline Jewish conservatives may privately disagree, though they're happy to import anyone they can into Israel).

Note that the majority of Iberia has some Semitic ancestry. Many other Europeans can claim descent from Christianized Jews. Probably most Muslim Palestinians had Jewish ancestors along the way.

I mean, check out this guy, looks like a total Hebe:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

As for Ukrainian Jews, well, some of them are in my extended family. Heck, one of my grandmothers was a Ukrainian Jew (though she relocated to Belarus after the war).

[Husar]

In the UK Antisemitism is considered racism, not religious prejudice. Germany may have developed a different view post-holocaust but, in the West, Jews have historically been seen as racially apart, a view supported by the practice of intermarriage for reasons of religion. That's not to say that everybody who has a Jewish nose (like a Roman nose it really is a thing) has grandparents who were practicing Jews, but still.

Eh, the post I replied to began with "Jews is a nationality", that is weird because Israeli is a nationality and there are jews with German, American, Russian and many other nationalities.
To top it off the post ended by saying that "Thus their nationality and confession are not covered by the term "Jew".", which is not only a contradiction to how he began two sentences earlier but also a bit strange since the term jew often does cover religion, although certainly not exclusively. Wikipedia calls it "ethno-religious" and "ethno-cultural" which seems quite accurate to me.

[Gilrandir]

Eh, the post I replied to began with "Jews is a nationality", that is weird because Israeli is a nationality and there are jews with German, American, Russian and many other nationalities.

I would say that Israeli is citizenship (Israeli is a citizen of Israel). And they can be of different ethnicity - Jewish, Arab, Ukrainian, Russian...

[Brenus]

"I would say that Israeli is citizenship (Israeli is a citizen of Israel). And they can be of different ethnicity - Jewish, Arab, Ukrainian, Russian..." Always difficult to define all these concepts: My Israeli friend is an atheist Jew. His nationality is Israeli (and french), his culture Jew, religion none. The problem is in this list there is a mixture of "arab" (Culture?) Nationality (Ukrainian) and religion (Jewish).
In the frame work you propose my friend could be European French Israeli.

[Papewaio]

Like a lot of words Jew has multiple meanings with individuals displaying some or all characteristics.

You can be Jewish ethnically ie parent(s) are Jewish
Jewish religion
Jewish culturally

I have a friend who identifies himself as ethnically and culturally Jewish. But he sees religion as a crutch and is an atheist.

Helps to understand that religion and culture and interwined and with expectations that you only marry within a group an ethnic group will form over time, and more specialized groupings as the strictures on who you marry. There are some Jewish communities who have genetic diseases, that are very rare in the outside world, commonly occurring within their communities. Much like Royalty...

[Gilrandir]

http://maidantranslations.com/2015/0...freesavchenko/

[Gilrandir]

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/1...ch-more-crimea
Ran into this article. Nothing new or surprising if it weren't for the date. It seems that Novorossia was on Russia's agenda long before March 2014. So much for "Putin was only reacting and saving what he could".