British Election: peaceful revolution

[Husar]

They were not your colonies, at least not for so long as Austria-Hungary existed.

Does this imply that people fall in love with us even faster?
Seems doubtful given the regime we had, but those groups still popped up.

[Greyblades]

The last question is an interesting one although I assume a resounding "no!" will follow from our British members.

Kinda.

A)"Can you provide a second opinion?" ('cause the author of the article is biased as all get out and has the great warning sign that is sourcing wikipedia directly)
B)"Can you prove we did/do the same?"

And for the gag question:
C) "Can you prove anyone else did better than us"
ii) "Who didnt let thier Kaiser screw it up for them?"

[Gilrandir]

Does this imply that people fall in love with us even faster?
Seems doubtful given the regime we had, but those groups still popped up.

I may disappoint you, but yours were not the first to offer this kind of ideology. But in fact we spoke not of "falling in love with ideology", but with a country.

[Beskar]

Not much of a peaceful revolution with the anarchs sitting in London for the past few days, admittedly.

[Kralizec]

Eeehhh... Kinda? I mean austria-hungary was a level or two down in terms of scale, both in size and worldwide influence, than the British and Roman empires, but I dont know enough to judge how cordial the relations between austria and it's old territories remained after seperation.

I mean how many of them still likes thier old overlord to the degree that the would still tolerate the incorporation of the Austro-Hungarian flag in thier own?

I think the Austrians nowadays are on good terms with the rest, but the Hungarians are generally not. The Hungarians were once like the other minorities in the empire, but managed to get a priviliged position through a revolution. To put it bluntly, they mangaged to get themselves elevated to co-opressors. Within the Hungarian part of the empire, they actively used their new power to undermine calls from other ethnicities for more autonomy, recognition of their languages and whatnot.

After the dissolution of the empire there were a lot of ethnic Hungarians in countries that historically were in Hungaria's sphere of influence. During WW2 Hungary had a fascist government that actively colluded with Nazi Germany to dismember Chzechoslovakia. Nowadays there are still quite a few of them "abroad" and this still causes tensions AFAIK.

[Greyblades]

You know, I am kinda curious what the ottoman empire splinters think of turkey now.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Farage is back as UKIP leader, Cameron wants an EU referendum by next year, and Tony Blair says in somewhat coded language that Labor needs to move closer to the Tories if they want to win.

The Guardian's top opinionator's try to understand why Labor got crushed:

1. Social Media failed us.
2. The media were against us.
3. Shy Tories.

[Greyblades]

The real reason: An albatross named Blair.

[Crandar]

You know, I am kinda curious what the ottoman empire splinters think of turkey now.

I like her, but I'm definitely the minority. Praising the Ottoman Empire is the strongest tabboo, nowdays. Even homosexuality is more acceptable than that.

Bosnians and the remaining muslims should be really fond of Turkey, though.

[Gilrandir]

You know, I am kinda curious what the ottoman empire splinters think of turkey now.

I like her, but I'm definitely the minority. Praising the Ottoman Empire is the strongest tabboo, nowdays. Even homosexuality is more acceptable than that.
Bosnians and the remaining muslims should be really fond of Turkey, though.

I may be mistaken, but I guess Greyblades (and me also) was curious of the attitude of the former muslim (Arab) provinces of the Ottoman empire.

[a completely inoffensive name]

This should be about the UK. I can't get the Brits in here all riled up if you talk about Turkey of all things.

[Gilrandir]

This should be about the UK. I can't get the Brits in here all riled up if you talk about Turkey of all things.

Replace Turkey with Argentina and you will get them as riled up as you want them to.

[Strike For The South]

To all the SNP lovers in England that think they are are serious and intellectual party, you should take a look at the sort of candidate they elect. For example Mhairi Black, a 20 year old ned who says she wants to head-butt Labour councillors (see video) and as for the twitter account, you can see for yourselves (its in spoilers due to the swearing).

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Yes, she really is the sort of politician that the Scottish people elected.

All the uglies in America must be descended from the Scots. What an unfortunate group of people

[Rhyfelwyr]

All the uglies in America must be descended from the Scots. What an unfortunate group of people

That we are.

[a completely inoffensive name]

That we are.

To be fair, the Scots really dug their own grave with this election.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

All the uglies in America must be descended from the Scots. What an unfortunate group of people

The US elects bigger nutjobs.

[Strike For The South]

The US elects bigger nutjobs.

Granted, but that fact still does not change a Scots face

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Granted, but that fact still does not change a Scots face

She doesn't look that bad in real life, but I take your point.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Cameron cracking down on those that threaten British values.

[Montmorency]

ASBOs were a dumb idea, and the practical application of this new policy seems to run along the same lines...

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

ASBOs were a dumb idea, and the practical application of this new policy seems to run along the same lines...

There's a good chance it won't pass, not only is it difficult to enforce but it runs counter to cherished Conservative values of free speech. To be honest, it sounds a bit Orwellian and I don't think Cameron has the majority to pass it as it stands.

[Greyblades]

Hopefully the extremism disruption orders etc are extras designed to be ditched to make the immigration reform seem more palatable to parliament.

Or maybe I am being overly optimistic to fool myself into thinking the conservatives are more than just the least shit out of a bunch of shit options.

Gods... please tell me this isn't new; that every generation with the right to vote had to deal with such woeful politics

[Papewaio]

There is not much to go with T-14 so far. Apparently it is about 10 tons lighter then Leo 2A6, while having a similarly powerful engine and bit higher top speed compared to Leo. It would seem that T-14 is similar in size to T 90, but it costs double the prize. It would be only logical to think that extra money has been put into some improvements compared to T 90.

Edit: How on earth this post appeared in this thread?...Uhm, maybe a kind Moderator could move it to the T-14 thread.

Seems Putin can't stay out of other people's democratic elections...

[InsaneApache]

Hopefully the extremism disruption orders etc are extras designed to be ditched to make the immigration reform seem more palatable to parliament.

Or maybe I am being overly optimistic to fool myself into thinking the conservatives are more than just the least shit out of a bunch of shit options.

Gods... please tell me this isn't new; that every generation with the right to vote had to deal with such woeful politics

Well to be fair all the main parties now occupy what they call the middle ground. Apart from a veneer of difference they really agree on 99% of everything. Plain packaging, gay marriage, human rights, the EU, the list is endless. The last election to actually change things was way back in 79. Now there are those that would say that 97 was defining moment but I would say that it was 97 that stated this movement to the middle ground.

As some wag commented a while ago, voting for the main three parties is like walking into a pub and ordering a pint of mild. However, when you look across the bar, all the pipes from the bitter, lager and mild all come from the same barrel.

And they wonder why people hold their noses when they vote for them.

[Rhyfelwyr]

In addition to our 20-year old nedette, we also have Chris Law as an elected SNP MP, a man who usually appears with ponytail and three-piece tweed suit and spends his time driving around in a bright blue fire engine called "Spirit of Independence".

If this was the USA these would be your joke candidates, incredibly half of Scotland and now even some English are fawning over these people.

[Husar]

In addition to our 20-year old nedette, we also have Chris Law as an elected SNP MP, a man who usually appears with ponytail and three-piece tweed suit and spends his time driving around in a bright blue fire engine called "Spirit of Independence".

If this was the USA these would be your joke candidates, incredibly half of Scotland and now even some English are fawning over these people.

Just one post after IA complains that all parties are too mainstream, you complain about a candidate who isn't mainstream enough and doesn't adapt to the political class by wearing the same kind of boring dark suit with white shirt. And it's obviously problematic that he doesn't drive a comfortable expensive armored limousine.
If only he could be more of the same like all the others, then we could take his same-as-all-the-others-politics more seriously as a viable alternative to all the other policies which would be exactly like his.
And people wonder why all the parties are exactly the same...

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Well to be fair all the main parties now occupy what they call the middle ground. Apart from a veneer of difference they really agree on 99% of everything. Plain packaging, gay marriage, human rights, the EU, the list is endless. The last election to actually change things was way back in 79. Now there are those that would say that 97 was defining moment but I would say that it was 97 that stated this movement to the middle ground.

As some wag commented a while ago, voting for the main three parties is like walking into a pub and ordering a pint of mild. However, when you look across the bar, all the pipes from the bitter, lager and mild all come from the same barrel.

And they wonder why people hold their noses when they vote for them.

Five years ago I would have agreed with you, but there are now some clear points of divergence, the Conservatives have committed to an EU referendum and to balancing the budget, while Labour refused to countenance the former and wasn't interesting in pursuing the latter.

[InsaneApache]

If you think that the referendum that Cameron is promising wont be rigged, I have a bridge.....

[Ja'chyra]

Oooh, I need a new bridge..........

The whole lot is pointless, I was talking to a Tory politician who said it nice to get confirmation that the majority of the country believe in what they say. If by that he means 24% of the voters and probably about 18% of the population then that is a very slim majority. Now I need to start looking for a new job as they want to privitise the civil service to their friends in industry.

As for people voting for the SNP, I think they would have got less votes if the government hadn't screwed Scotland over after the referendum, and UKIP has just made itself a joke by apparently refusing Farage's resignation, although why he needed their acceptance to quit is anyone's guess........

[Rhyfelwyr]

As for people voting for the SNP, I think they would have got less votes if the government hadn't screwed Scotland over after the referendum

How did they do that?