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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    Not with the RAF suppressed in the east, but you are right that heavy bombers would probably have helped in doing that in the first place, as would not shifting the focus to civilian targets/operation barbarossa. That's from a purely military POV, otherwise I'm glad the Nazis lost of course.
    Germany was never able to reach the airfields in Northern Britain which meant that they were never able to beat the RAF, they could suppress them in the South East but fighters would just come down from the North. Basically, without heavy bombers all Germany could do was hamper the RAF's offensive bombing, they couldn't gain air superiority for an invasion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    Germany was never able to reach the airfields in Northern Britain which meant that they were never able to beat the RAF, they could suppress them in the South East but fighters would just come down from the North. Basically, without heavy bombers all Germany could do was hamper the RAF's offensive bombing, they couldn't gain air superiority for an invasion.
    I think the problem with that was that they lost the early warning radars and could not scramble fighters from anywhere nearby, so that would have forced the RAF to fly combat patrols over the east, taking away some advantages they had before. The plans for the invasion were mostly delayed because of the Royal Navy, which could have sunk all the invading ships or all the supply ships required to sustain an invasion. The german air force however did not seem capable of stopping the Royal Navy even with air superiority over the channel.


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    Germany could never have invaded the UK while the RN still floated.

    There best bet was someone toppling Stalin early in Barbarossa and making peace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    Germany could never have invaded the UK while the RN still floated.
    Yes, you are right, I shouldn't have said the same thing.

    Germany was essentially trapped between the evil capitalist cartel in the west and the evil communist cartel in the east and desperately needed space and a sane leader to gain it. Unfortunately neither were readily available and fate clearly showed that it wanted to keep Hitler around several times when it prevented all the attacks on his life. It was much easier to kill the POTUS than to kill the one guy who ruined half the world. We will forever be indebted to the British for making the biggest sacrifice of all nations in that war.



    As for the Armata, maybe the price of launching rockets from Russia to get food for the austronauts into space will go up now to finance the Armata and the weak ruble. The German navy will certainly not stop any Armatas from rolling through Berlin and Paris down to Madrid.


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    You use too many words
    There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford

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    Germany was essentially trapped between the evil capitalist cartel in the west and the evil communist cartel in the east
    The Communist cartel consisted of one memeber. It is rather a godfather than a cartel.
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    As for the Armata, maybe the price of launching rockets from Russia to get food for the austronauts into space will go up now to finance the Armata and the weak ruble.
    The solution is to launch Armatas into space. Only in this way Russia will both keep the austonauts fed and finance the production of Armatas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrandir View Post
    The Communist cartel consisted of one memeber. It is rather a godfather than a cartel.
    I think each of the 11 timezones in Russia counts as a member.
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    I think each of the 11 timezones in Russia counts as a member.
    You better count the then 16 Soviet republics. 16 will sound more impressive than 11.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    Germany could never have invaded the UK while the RN still floated.

    There best bet was someone toppling Stalin early in Barbarossa and making peace.
    The RAF and the Fleet Air Arm were required to keep the RN afloat, though. The battles in the Pacific theatre showed what happened when the RN's superior battleships and battlecruisers lacked air support. They went down fighting, to be sure, but they still went down.
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