10 years

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

While I agree with you that Banquo did a fine job, I definitely don't agree that Louis crossed the line. It was a jest, there was no insulted party, only a certain member who was more of a troll at the time (and who shall remain unnamed in this instance) demanded strict and vigorous punishment out of spite and pettiness.

If we had applied the rules that rigorously, we'd all be banned by now.

Louis didn't leave because he was insulted, but because he didn't want to remain here if that was the standard. I maybe wouldn't have made the same choice, but in principle he was 100% right.

You know, I don't exactly remember what Loius said but I remember it made me feel a little ill. It was bad enough that I thought it demonstrated he shouldn't be a mod, but far from being ban-worthy.

I think Kad's recollection is clouded by who he was at the time, to be honest, I got several warning from Banquo and Kad probably thinks I was one of his favourites.

I was just terrified of him the way I was my headmaster.

[Fragony]

Getting really curious now, wtf happened can I get a discrete summary. I never understood why Louis suddenly stopped posting, I never noticed anything wrong between anyone. Me and Tribes perhaps and I really regret how that turned out, but that's about it.

[Beskar]

You know, I don't exactly remember what Loius said but I remember it made me feel a little ill. It was bad enough that I thought it demonstrated he shouldn't be a mod, but far from being ban-worthy.

We have some rules, so I cannot go into full details, but I will clear something up.

Louis was not banned from the Org, his choice to leave was his free will and isn't/hasn't been barred from coming back at anytime.

[Kralizec]

Banquo had nothing to do with Louis leaving. I'll leave it at that.

[Strike For The South]

Banquo had nothing to do with Louis leaving. I'll leave it at that.

False. I'll leave it at that.

[Fragony]

Reminds me, I miss AdrianII as well, the smug bastard. We live in the same town and I have known that he frequently visits the same place I do for years, and he knows that as well. Unspoken gentlemen's agreement that we don't know, could have sat right next to him so many times.

[Brenus]

I miss Red, don't remember his full name. Captain in the US Artillery. Hard to debate with, you made one approximation or miss one comma, and bang, you were in trouble... Wife bi-polar, if I remember well. But what a debater...

[Hooahguy]

I miss Tribesman.

[Kagemusha]

I miss Red, don't remember his full name. Captain in the US Artillery. Hard to debate with, you made one approximation or miss one comma, and bang, you were in trouble... Wife bi-polar, if I remember well. But what a debater...

Redleg ,i remember him too. Very strict fellow, but i remember admiring his sense of justice and common sense.

[Kralizec]

False. I'll leave it at that.

Really? That's not how I remember it, but nevermind.

[Beskar]

Really? That's not how I remember it, but nevermind.

I am curious with the connection myself, but it could have a reference to Louis-gate...

There was a theme that Moderators were seen as 'above' the law and a couple of examples which received majority of the stink were by BQ and Louis. In their separate ways, they received the brunt of the 'attack' which BQ retired and led to Louis-gate.

[Fragony]

I missed all of this but I liked BG, he was a gentleman who insisted on courtious behaviour. Nothing wrong with that.

[InsaneApache]

Banquo had nothing to do with Louis leaving. I'll leave it at that.

This.

I was in PM contact with Louis all through the farce and it was the rank hypocrisy that decided it was enough for him.

[Sarmatian]

This.

I was in PM contact with Louis all through the farce and it was the rank hypocrisy that decided it was enough for him.

It didn't have anything to do directly, but they both left for the same reason. And Adrian then left because Banquo informed him why he left.

Both suffered abuse from other moderators and administrators, mostly from those rarely involved in off-topic part of the forum, and both decided they had enough. Some of it was public, some of it happened in the moderator's forum, and some through PM's.

Didn't you ask us to make the Keep threads public? It's a bit like asking to make someone's PMs public.

I asked to allow us plebs to see the relevant discussion(s) that went on in the moderator private forum. I didn't ask to see private messages.

[GeneralHankerchief]

It didn't have anything to do directly, but they both left for the same reason. And Adrian then left because Banquo informed him why he left.

Both suffered abuse from other moderators and administrators, mostly from those rarely involved in off-topic part of the forum, and both decided they had enough. Some of it was public, some of it happened in the moderator's forum, and some through PM's.



I asked to allow us plebs to see the relevant discussion(s) that went on in the moderator private forum. I didn't ask to see private messages.

"I am confident enough in my knowledge of what happened in discussions I was not privy to to publicly recount them"

"I want to see transcripts of what happened in staff discussion so as to better understand what happened"

Pick one.

[Sarmatian]

"I am confident enough in my knowledge of what happened in discussions I was not privy to to publicly recount them"

"I want to see transcripts of what happened in staff discussion so as to better understand what happened"

Pick one.

I'm confident enough in my knowledge of what happened. I'm also tired of the mantra how everything was fine and dandy and those two inexplicably decided to leave, leaving the rest of the staff aghast and surprised because of the unprovoked move. And now everyone wants them back.

[Kralizec]

This.

I was in PM contact with Louis all through the farce and it was the rank hypocrisy that decided it was enough for him.

From what Louis told me at the time, I understand that Banquo stepped down as a mod for related reasons. My previous post was mostly directed at Kadagar's theory that Banquo was somehow responsible for Louis' departure.

I've never heard about Adrian's departure being related.

[whyidie]

Louis was not banned from the Org, his choice to leave was his free will and isn't/hasn't been barred from coming back at anytime.

Thats really all there is to it then. Added a lot of colour to the forums, wasn't suited for moderation, sad he went, but ultimately he chose to go.

...and congrats on reaching the decade mark!

[Viking]

Can't say I feel the nostalgia some do, but it's always lame when interesting voices go silent for whatever reason. As far as debates go, diversity is a must.

Also, '05-ers ftw.

Ive done basically a 180 on most issues so... great success! Now give me another eight years here and Im sure I will have done a full 360.

I wouldn't be too surprised, such a cycle makes sense in some contexts: uninformed position 1 → better informed position 2 → even better informed position 1. It's a matter of switching to gradually better and more informed arguments, which can take one on any kind of path; all depending on the arguments one started out with and the new arguments one is exposed to.

[Fragony]

The Marquis de Sade terrified people. Brilliant guy. I wouldn't give Louis the same credits but those who have no sense of humour and can't sense what should be pefectly obvious and harmless sarcasm all the less aren't getting any regardless. I miss AdrianII as well, sarcasm wasn't his thing but he sure was good at being arrogant, and that isn't in any way an insult, just an acknowledgement of decorum.

[Papewaio]

Banquo was a scholar and a gentleman.

Louis was funny and a good soul.

I miss Pindar too. Doubt he misses me though...

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Banquo was a scholar and a gentleman.

Louis was funny and a good soul.

I miss Pindar too. Doubt he misses me though...

Strictly speaking, Banquo was a scholar and a nobleman...