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**landlubber** · 08-13-2015, 01:33

Originally Posted by seireikhaan

He's referring to myself. Let's assume I'm town. Is it in my interests to accept a possible lynch of me(0% chance of being mafia), when I could get anyone else lynched?(non-zero chance of being mafia).

A mafioso would act exactly the same way. I'm not a fan of this defense at all.

**GeneralHankerchief** · 08-13-2015, 01:46

Originally Posted by landlubber

A mafioso would act exactly the same way. I'm not a fan of this defense at all.

So anytime somebody does anything that a mafioso might do, it merits a lynch? I made a post this day phase. If a mafioso makes a post this day phase too, then since I did a thing the mafia did, I should be lynched?

**landlubber** · 08-13-2015, 01:55

You know what I meant. Trying to save himself to the eventual detriment of the town isn't striking me as townie, sorry, and your insistent defense of him isn't exactly warming me up to you either.

**GeneralHankerchief** · 08-13-2015, 02:01

I thought this argument had been discredited in 2009, evidently not.

OPERATING UNDER THE PRINCIPLES THAT YOU ARE TOWN:

You have 100% knowledge and certainty that you are town and therefore, innocent. You are the only person that you have 100% certainty on. You may have various certainty levels, which obviously define and shape your votes, but only you yourself have that full 100%.

Because of this rare and wonderful certainty, from your personal POV, literally any lynch target is more appealing than yourself. So, between khaan and Monty last night, khaan knew that his own lynch, ahead of time, had a 100% chance of being incorrect for the town.

As for khaan's certainty levels about Monty? Who knows? It might have been 50%. It might have been 75%. It might have been 1%. But even if khaan was 99% certain that Monty was innocent, that's still a better play, for him, as town, to lynch Monty.

It's not "saving himself to the eventual detriment of the town" (what does that even mean? some people are instinctively better to leave alive?). It's playing the percentages and acting with limited information as best you see fit.

**landlubber** · 08-13-2015, 02:14

My vote on Khaan stays. His vote was self-centered, bottom line, and I don't trust that. I've been nothing but helpful. If that gets me lynched, so be it. I've done as much as I can by this point.

**GeneralHankerchief** · 08-13-2015, 02:18

"I can't think of a response that adequately addresses the above points and I've already committed to this lynch and I have no desire to change it because as mafia I'm looking for the easy target and not the accurate one"

**landlubber** · 08-13-2015, 03:37

Not quite. I got beat this game. I was wrong on Visor, wrong on BSmith, and too late to lynch Khaan when I had the chance yesterday. If you two really are the last townies, it's over. My only hope is that both JHT and Ishmael are town, which I doubt. I take responsibility for my bad moves this game, and if we lose because two townies are unwaveringly convinced of my guilt, I hope you will too.

**Montmorency** · 08-13-2015, 03:43

Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

"I can't think of a response that adequately addresses the above points

It's not a good argument unless you're talking about chess pieces rather than actual players. Last-minute self-rescue rarely plays out well for the town, even if a townie is the one doing it.