IMMIGRATION thread

[Kadagar_AV]

Aren't you supposed to leave behind an indication of what he said so that it doesn't look like everyone is just ganging up on Kad?

I applaud you sudden stirring of a need to actually moderate, I hope you have many more, but if Kad is actually being racist his friends should have some indication of what he said so that they can cuff him around the ear for it.

IIRC, there was something about how Africans from cultures where women dress as tents seem to have a hard time controlling their penises when surrounded by blonde women in miniskirts...

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In a way I can understand (but still detest) why. First of all women are often seen as cattle in their home cultures... Women dressed like ours are "whores" in their eyes...

And as around 85% of Asylum seekers are men, it kind of means it's hard for them to mate in their own population group, so instead they mate with my population group by force/threat.

Also what little control functions that might have stemmed their behavior in their home nations: Family, tribal honour, and so on - is often non-existant here.


Was only yesterday that a black guy walked into a 60 year old womans backyard and signalled and then tried to force her to bend over her garden table so he could relieve himself in her...

Luckily she was able to scare him off with screams and violence.

Things like this sound absurd, but they happen increasingly often. Women just have no value in their cultures.

[Husar]

Husar, as I already said, I won't continue discussing with you for some months, till I have seen that you can have a normal, functional discussion.

Because when you start to argue like this:



You're just not worth my time.

You make a claim, I post arguments against it, you dismiss them without any evidence for your claims, and then you say I cannot debate because I ask for you to prove your claims...

That makes no sense...

Was only yesterday that a black guy walked into a 60 year old womans backyard and signalled and then tried to force her to bend over her garden table so he could relieve himself in her...

Luckily she was able to scare him off with screams and violence.

Things like this sound absurd, but they happen increasingly often. Women just have no value in their cultures.

And this means we should reject families with children or what are we to deduce from these anecdotes?

[Kadagar_AV]

Husar, again:

When you start to argue like this:

Also prove the connection between your statistic and immigration.
Then show that there are no other possible factors that could be rsponsible for the statistical increase over time.

You are just trolling (I hope, the alternative would be that you are stupid). And in either case that's not worth my time.

So sharpen your arguments or thinking, or take that I'm not interested in discussing with you.



To break it down for others:

Also prove the connection between your statistic and immigration.

Prove we are not all holograms?

Some things are impossible to prove down to the last digit, that however have nothing to do with seeing general trends. If anyone want FULL proof of anything said, the discussion will be impossible.

IE, can I PROVE that Black guy A who commited crime B did it because of cultural reasons, and not because someone slipped a drug in his drink? Nope.

Can I walk through every criminal case and directly see that culture is the reason behind it? Nope.

What we can do, is see general trends. IE, around 15% of the population committing more than 50% of the rapes.

Same goes with the build-up of the 55 No-Go zones for the Swedish police... Is it all the immigrants fault? Of course not, but the last ghetto youth center I worked at SURE had 99 people yelling ALLAHU AKBAR for ever white dude who threw stones at police cars.

Can I prove it wasn't because of the last healthcare reform or alien overmind though? Nope.

Then show that there are no other possible factors that could be rsponsible for the statistical increase over time.

There are always other factors at work, so a question like this is either pure trolling, or semi-retarded.

Can I prove that 100% of the PISA results for our schools are because of immigration? Nope, we have had reforms and stuff... With that said it sure looks like them Africans seem to struggle with their own education, while simultaneously disrupting it for the others.


To have to go through that there are NO OTHER POSSIBLE FACTORS is impossible. Again, an alien overmind at work?




A serious reply would go along the lines of: "You say it is so, but have you considered this factor". That is a BR worthy argument.

PROVE THERE ARE NO OTHER POSSIBLE FACTORS is pure trolling and/or idiocy.

[Husar]

Husar, again:

When you start to argue like this:



You are just trolling (I hope, the alternative would be that you are stupid). And in either case that's not worth my time.

So sharpen your arguments or thinking, or take that I'm not interested in discussing with you.

I'm not trolling, and thanks for the insult, it's funny because you're still wrong.

Prove we are not all holograms?

Some things are impossible to prove down to the last digit, that however have nothing to do with seeing general trends. If anyone want FULL proof of anything said, the discussion will be impossible.

IE, can I PROVE that Black guy A who commited crime B did it because of cultural reasons, and not because someone slipped a drug in his drink? Nope.

Can I walk through every criminal case and directly see that culture is the reason behind it? Nope.

I posted an article that claimed the increase in numbers is due to other factors such as changes in the way police statistics are kept. You have done absolutely nothing to show that the increase is only due to immigration and not due to changes in statistical methods.

You make a wild claim that you cannot back up, ignore evidence to the contrary and then call your opposition stupid...
If you say the change are only due to immigration, you have to back this up somehow other than "it is obvious to me", because that isn't proof for anything. It is possible that immigration led to more crimes being committed, but according to the only journalistic source posted so far, it's nowhere near as drastic as you claim. And instead of backing up your claim, you resort to personal attacks, an arrogant but in no way helpful approach. If I were to report or punish you every time you (indirectly) call me stupid, you might as well be permabanned. How about you start posting sources instead of insults and personal opinions?

What we can do, is see general trends. IE, around 15% of the immigrant men committing more than 50% of the rapes.

And where are these numbers coming from? Or is that impossible to show as well?
According to you it is stupid to ask whether you have any sources for these numbers...

Same goes with the build-up of the 55 No-Go zones for the Swedish police... Is it all the immigrants fault? Of course not, but the last ghetto youth center I worked at SURE had 99 people yelling ALLAHU AKBAR for ever white dude who threw stones at police cars.

Can I prove it wasn't because of the last healthcare reform or alien overmind though? Nope.

No, but I only need to take your arguments to prove that swedish culture is rotten because it ruined its own country.
And that's not trolling, that's only to highlight how silly some of your statements are.
You keep stating that rotten cultures ruin their own countries, then you say the politicians Swedes voted into office for 30 years have ruined the country, obviously Swedish culture must be rotten because the people don't know what's good for the country.

Your arguments, not mine...

There are always other factors at work, so a question like this is either pure trolling, or semi-retarded.

Another insult?
Good argument...or should I thank you for your honesty?

To have to go through that there are NO OTHER POSSIBLE FACTORS is impossible. Again, an alien overmind at work?

You could be creative and prove that there is any kind of link in the first place. The reason I wanted you to prove the absence of other factors was that you dismissed the article that listed several other factors. You cannot just dismiss it without providing anything to back up your dismissal other than your personal opinion.
Instead you post a long tirade about how stupid I am, this is very bad form and it gets very tiring in the long run.

A serious reply would go along the lines of: "You say it is so, but have you considered this factor". That is a BR worthy argument.

PROVE THERE ARE NO OTHER POSSIBLE FACTORS is pure trolling and/or idiocy.

Your insults are hardly BR-worthy either, I suggest you start by working on them and posting actual sources instead of replying with your typical "trolling or idiot" to everything I say, which is not helpful. If I were trolling you, it would be because you constantly insult me.

[Leet Eriksson]

Is it everytime you are faced with a call out you either call them trolls or stupid? If you can't back your claims with actual evidence, or the fact the swedish government is ruining its own country then you are practically for all intents and purposes either deluded or extremely dense and fed trash.

[Fragony]

Is it everytime you are faced with a call out you either call them trolls or stupid? If you can't back your claims with actual evidence, or the fact the swedish government is ruining its own country then you are practically for all intents and purposes either deluded or extremely dense and fed trash.

You seem to take it personal, why would you, it isn't you who does it. Can we call a spade a spade please? It's just true that Sweden has a significant problem with immigrants and their offspring. Why not looking at what can be done better instead of looking away from obvious problems. They exist. What Sweden hauls in isn't Arab nobility such as yourself but from the worst places in the world.

[Papewaio]

Links with stats va posts that appear as anecdotes without links.

KAV a couple of links would be great... It's a bit like Fragony's opening posts with no context...

[Fragony]

A simple google will do just fine. Kads isn't pulling anything out of his hat, I got family in Sweden that really want to leave, they never expected that they would ever want to. The countryside is as good as ever but I would skip the town(ships). It's simply baffling what multiculturalisms managed to screw up. Not because they had good intentions but simply out of narcissism.

Just a note to readers: Direct links do help a lot, and I would recommend these a lot. There have been a few occasions where google has failed due to language barriers and this is an international board. - Beskar

[Kadagar_AV]

Links with stats va posts that appear as anecdotes without links.

KAV a couple of links would be great... It's a bit like Fragony's opening posts with no context...

Pape, I already explained and linked to BRÅ.

What more do you want?