IMMIGRATION thread

[Husar]

Now, this is understandable but it presents a bit of a problem when, say, the men start of congregate in the even outside their houses and get a bit drunk and rowdy rather than going to the tavern and getting rowdy there and then rolling home, which is more or less what I assume German men do.

Certainly not the ones who were sitting in front of the door of the house I lived in with the rest of their family and friends, often screaming obscenities at each other during the night and leaving a mess behind. As I said somewhere, show me the difference to natives living in the same area.

It gets a bit more awkward when all the children clump together at school and speak their native language together because they'll be much harder for the children to police - to know if someone is being bullied etc.

Yes, I'm aware, there are also children at certain schools who threaten their teachers by dangling them outside a window. Usually a problem in the lower class schools in Germany though, where most of the refugees end up since they usually don't arrive with well-filled bank accounts and are "dumped" by the government in the cheapest areas. As I said before, the ghettoization is more or less by design, a very flawed design indeed but not entirely the fault of the immigrants. What I really hate about this are people who already leave their neighborhood if the government settles an immigrant family or two there, they just contribute to the ghettoization by indirectly demanding and helping it. I am also fully aware that we cannot accept too many people at once, which would also not be a problem if they were properly distributed across Europe, but instead they are clumped in one or two countries. Granted, they want to come here and even throw stones if they can't, but I have no problems with them being either forced to go elsewhere or not let in at all if they think they can demand that. Integration is not only the burden of the immigrant, it is something the entire society and especially the politics have to support. Crating ghettos and expecting them to integrate is obviously a big failure in most cases.

Now a whole district of the town - at this point you're basically going to have a self contained community, there's no real chance of "integration" into German society, the best you can hope for is co-operation and coexistence, but you now have a new, separate, community in the town.

Yes, as I said, this is not new to me, it's just not a reason to be xenophobic.

Now, different people have different thresholds they are willing to accept, some will accept a single family, some a few in one street, some will accept whole districts in towns and cities being transformed so long as they obey the law - and some will make excuses for the newcomers and claim we shouldn't be so hard on them for not following our laws.

Kad is clearly fairly far down on the scale, probably more than one family to a street but below the level where you get any clumping together on street corners.

Yes, that's the problem with the thresholds, how many English homeless are tolerated in the richer neighborhoods of London?
http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...e-architecture

Do the homeless have muslim culture nowadays or is that part of the debate maybe missing the actual problem?