IMMIGRATION thread

[Montmorency]

Irrelevant to the point. It was implicitly understood in what I wrote that an immediate threat to their life is not among the reasons for migrating.

I don't see how that's relevant to my point. Maybe we're hung up over what constitutes or qualifies as a refugee?

They are economic migrants, but they also qualify as refugees, and that they are economic migrants does not cancel out their refugee status. That's what I'm saying, in effect.

[Fragony]

I don't see how that's relevant to my point. Maybe we're hung up over what constitutes or qualifies as a refugee?

They are economic migrants, but they also qualify as refugees, and that they are economic migrants does not cancel out their refugee status. That's what I'm saying, in effect.

There are perfectly viable ways, there are European ambasades that have to take any aplication into consideration. They can be helped from there should it be needed. Most real refugees are just glad they are safe though, Turkey has been really generous to those who are really in need and can't afford Nikes and iPhones.

[Montmorency]

There are perfectly viable ways, there are European ambasades that have to take any aplication into consideration. They can be helped from there should it be needed. Most real refugees are just glad they are safe though, Turkey has been really generous to those who are really in need and can't afford Nikes and iPhones.

I agree in the sense that the EU needs to implement some common policies to deal with the issue of undocumented migrants such that they can be stopped from hiking cross-country or swamping train stations.

The Dublin regulation and haphazard management of the situation makes it so that refugees tend to move away or avoid authorities if they think that registration will entail a hiatus wherever they are at the moment. End Dublin, identify everyone, get them to the best shelters we can find or erect on short notice - and you get the crisis sorted, at least for the next few months. It buys time to figure out what's going to be done with all these people.

[Fragony]

I agree in the sense that the EU needs to implement some common policies to deal with the issue of undocumented migrants such that they can be stopped from hiking cross-country or swamping train stations.

The Dublin regulation and haphazard management of the situation makes it so that refugees tend to move away or avoid authorities if they think that registration will entail a hiatus wherever they are at the moment. End Dublin, identify everyone, get them to the best shelters we can find or erect on short notice - and you get the crisis sorted, at least for the next few months. It buys time to figure out what's going to be done with all these people.

Sounds perfectly sound to me

[Viking]

They are economic migrants, but they also qualify as refugees, and that they are economic migrants does not cancel out their refugee status. That's what I'm saying, in effect.

I am considerings scenarios where they would never have had any refugee status that could be nulled out in the first place. The definition of 'refugee' is relevant here, yes.

[Fragony]

I am considerings scenarios where they would never have had any refugee status that could be nulled out in the first place. The definition of 'refugee' is relevant here, yes.

Yes, take in mind that only very few are from minorities that are at actual risk, some are. But most 'refugees' are sunni-mislims who aren't hunted down by fellow sunni-muslims. We should help the Kurds, the christians, the muslims of a different persuation.