IMMIGRATION thread

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I would shoot them because in my very cold calculation that solves my problem of having to show them why being a cold calculative person is not something one should advocate to others as it can literally backfire.

The idea that refugee assimilation into culturally similar countries would be smooth sailing relative to traveling to alien countries is not true. Reality is that not only will they inevitably be discriminated against due to the overall social dynamics of the Arab world, they will not have a voice and the cultural disparity is not as minor as you make it out to be, in fact Arabs of the Levant have just as much similarities with the west than they do with fellow Arabs I'd argue. Admitting more Syrians in countries with questionable long-term sustainability is recipe for disaster, and cannot be dealt with by those countries unless you want to deal with MORE refugees in the future.

It's very difficult to acquire citizenship in Gulf countries and they all have a ceiling set for foreigners so as not to upset the native population. Because the satisfaction of natives are of utmost importance to the regimes (besides ksa/bahrain) any refugees will not be able to get the basic needs that can be afforded by governments elsewhere. They will, like the Iraqis before them, have to pay for their child's education since all public schools are for citizens only and won't have enough money due to the cost of living.

I agree, Gulf countries suck, and it's nice to see you admitting that the peoples of the Levant aren't really all that much like Arabs - funny how that wasn't true a couple of weeks ago.

Let's break this down though - the essence of what you're saying is that Europe is stable, democratically run and law abiding. That's true but it's dependent on a certain level of homogeneity, and even in countries like the UK, France, and Spain there are still historic ethnic divisions after a millennia that continue to cause political, and civil, unrest. Both the UK and Spain were subject to sustained terror campaigns by segments of their "own" population up until very recently. In point of fact, Northern Ireland currently has no effective government and we're in danger of Westminster (England) having to take direct control, which will kick off more terror attacks.

8,000 people entered Hungary yesterday, Europe simply cannot support this rate of immigration - especially illegal immigration - and the likelyhood that our civil society will buckle at least at the local level and these people will be little better off in the end than if they had stayed in Turkey - except lots of them will have drowned/been trampled/died of heatstroke/frostbite.

I never said it should fall on Europe, just don't point your fingers wherever you want. You can handle it, we can't.

"We" Arabs or "We" Americans?

You're in Denver.

Speaking of which - the US has the space as well as the mass lift capacity, the money, and the experience of assimilating new immigrants.