Pirate Ship Mafia III [Concluded]

[Kagemusha]

And they just stop killing then? How do you know that? Do you know something others dont?

[Zack]

And they just stop killing then? How do you know that? Do you know something others dont?

Like I said...

You're not addressing these concerns, you're avoiding them and trying to flip the blame back onto others.

[Kagemusha]

Like I said...

I already answered all your questions. Can you tell me which one i did not? How many of mine did you answer to me? Please contribute and we can have a discussion, otherwise you are wasting me time.

[Zack]

Had the vig attemp succeeded how on earth it would have cleared anyone? Breath man and think.

Why not have everyone join 3-man vig groups? Why order people to protect and steal, neither of which clear them of anything? You specifically tried to organize protections against vig targets, which would nullify your whole idea for clearing people through failed vig attempts (unless for some reason you believe the French can kill through protection)? Again, can you specifically reference what rule you're talking about? No one else can find the part that says Frenchies automatically make townie vig groups succeed regardless of numbers. I see no reason to believe that.

I already answered all your questions. Can you tell me which one i did not? How many of mine did you answer to me? Please contribute and we can have a discussion, otherwise you are wasting me time.

You did not answer any of these questions:

You said:


Seems pretty clear where I got that idea.

You just brushed this off and denied it, but whatever. As Visor pointed out you've been talking about certain people as if you know they're town, yet you keep dismissing this as false.

So what? Is there any reason to believe they're town? Did you specifically know Visor was trying to kill one of those two people? I want to know your original motive, not a justification based on the results. Do you think Visor is French, and if so, why? If not, why would you block him?

Why is being part of a vig group reason to block Visor?
How did you know Visor was in a vig group?
Is there some reason why spaceman and ATPG are bad kill targets? Why is killing them undesirable?
The justification you gave was based on the results - it "prevented a night kill". What was the original motive behind the block?
Do you think Visor is French? Why or why not? If not, why would you block him?

It seems like you blocked Visor because he was a vocal opponent of yours, not because of any suspicion of him.

Why not? I assume you believe in the lynch, so what makes vigkills so wrong that you actively try to prevent people from carrying them out?

What is wrong with vig killing in theory? What makes them worse than the lynch?
Why would you go to such efforts to disrupt them, meaning a significant number of players ended up wasting their time?

[Visor]

Nightkills are actually bad for the french as it (potentially) narrows conversion targets.

[Kagemusha]

Let us ask the Gods. ​GH, if there is a fenchman or his agent part of a vig squad. Does the vig squad need 4 people to succeed, or will the attack of a frenchie kill the mark anyway?

[Zack]

This is unbelievable. You still refuse to even acknowledge any of my concerns. You are endangering the town cause, and I've waited long enough for you to change your tune. We need a new captain.

Vote: Mutiny

[GeneralHankerchief]

Let us ask the Gods. ​GH, if there is a fenchman or his agent part of a vig squad. Does the vig squad need 4 people to succeed, or will the attack of a frenchie kill the mark anyway?

Frenchmen agents killing without any town influence (i.e. a true mafia kill) require two agents to succeed in most circumstances. If they're killing as part of a townie kill group, they don't count for extra and thus the full four is still needed.

[Visor]

And they just stop killing then? How do you know that? Do you know something others dont?

In a team kill 4 members succeed - or at least a chance, any less won't work. That's why two kills failed.

[Visor]

Kage, what did you do last night?

What did you order last night? - You don't have to answer this, but it is a sign of good faith.

[Zack]

I don't understand what part of the rules you're even referring to, there's nothing that says a Frenchie acting in a townie vig group automatically makes it succeed. If you believe that to be the case and think that the people attacking spaceman/ATPG are cleared through the vig attempt, then that raises the question of why you didn't want anyone to participate in a vig group? Why would you discourage a clearing action?

[Kagemusha]

I don't understand what part of the rules you're even referring to, there's nothing that says a Frenchie acting in a townie vig group automatically makes it succeed. If you believe that to be the case and think that the people attacking spaceman/ATPG are cleared through the vig attempt, then that raises the question of why you didn't want anyone to participate in a vig group? Why would you discourage a clearing action?

Had the vig attemp succeeded how on earth it would have cleared anyone? Breath man and think.

[Visor]

If the vig attempts suceeded we would know if any frenchmen were on those orders they would not be doing french things.

If they failed we would NOT know that. Succeeding is better than failing.