Pirate Ship Mafia III [Concluded]

[Double A]

Only that I trust him (marginally) more than others in this game. I have no firm evidence as to his alignment, but we pulled a protection job together Night 1 (no attack came). He then told me unprompted that he had been asked by Kagemusha to protect Andres with Ituralde, did not, but received a PM from the latter saying that the protection was successful (no attack).

Since he did not know how this was possible (the rules state that simply the target surviving is enough for payment), such a revelation suggests to me that he, at least, actually protected our target.

Wait, he didn't protect someone but still got paid? Then his N1 action doesn't actually confirm his whereabouts even from your perspective.

[Double A]

Also, take a look at the sum total of Double A's posts. It's the pirate ship equivalent of voting present. A few silly cracks and nothing but throwaway, unsubstantiated votes. I find it suspicious.

par for the course on D1 and 2 for me, honestly
D3 I actually start to try

[Zack]

Also, take a look at the sum total of Double A's posts. It's the pirate ship equivalent of voting present. A few silly cracks and nothing but throwaway, unsubstantiated votes. I find it suspicious.

And visor is also suspicious for doing the opposite?

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Wait, he didn't protect someone but still got paid? Then his N1 action doesn't actually confirm his whereabouts even from your perspective.

No - Csargo protected someone with me (and got paid, we both did); Ituralde protected Andres with an insufficient group (not including Csargo) and got paid, PMing him to say 'thanks for helping, I got paid'. Csargo didn't know what to make of it, and asked me how it was possible. This leads me to believe that he actually protected the same person as I did.

It clears no-one, especially my other group member. It tells me that Csargo is unlikely to have done anything nefarious on Night 1.

[Visor]

And why would we vote different captains D1 when he could've swung it to NJ D1 and presumably gotten me a position?

AA has been fine in thread and in PMs.

[Xiahou]

And visor is also suspicious for doing the opposite?

Huh?
Visor came out early against Kage, who was most likely innocent. And he was one of the few who voted to lynch Ironside- who we can be pretty confident was innocent. Then there's the small matter of him wrongly claiming I have 200 gold, which also implicates Double A by extension.

[Visor]

And how exactly does this make me French? Explain my moves from a French perspective, because I still don't see it.
@Xiahou, again, let's assume I am wrong. How far am I off?

[Csargo]

Unvote:, Vote:Abstain

I blame unsolicited interventions into my affairs for this entire mess.

[Visor]

Xiahou, you can PM me if you want - but this is one question that needs answering.

[Xiahou]

And how exactly does this make me French? Explain my moves from a French perspective, because I still don't see it.
@Xiahou, again, let's assume I am wrong. How far am I off?

Do you know how much gold someone you put in the brig has or not? It sounds like you're beginning to hedge on this now. If you know it, you wouldn't be off by any- why are you asking me?

[Double A]

No - Csargo protected someone with me (and got paid, we both did); Ituralde protected Andres with an insufficient group (not including Csargo) and got paid, PMing him to say 'thanks for helping, I got paid'. Csargo didn't know what to make of it, and asked me how it was possible. This leads me to believe that he actually protected the same person as I did.

It clears no-one, especially my other group member. It tells me that Csargo is unlikely to have done anything nefarious on Night 1.

GH pays out based on perception of night actions, though. If ten players said they'd kill one person, and six of them did something else, the four guys who sent in the kill order would still get paid a lower rate, even though they "should" be getting the 10 per vig rate.

Huh?
Visor came out early against Kage, who was most likely innocent. And he was one of the few who voted to lynch Ironside- who we can be pretty confident was innocent. Then there's the small matter of him wrongly claiming I have 200 gold, which also implicates Double A by extension.

please show me the part in the rules where I get to look at Visor's result PM direct from GH

[Visor]

Do you know how much gold someone you put in the brig has or not? It sounds like you're beginning to hedge on this now. If you know it, you wouldn't be off by any- why are you asking me?

I do. You are claiming I am wrong. I want to see what number of gold YOU CLAIM you have.

Hence why I said "assume".

[Xiahou]

please show me the part in the rules where I get to look at Visor's result PM direct from GH

Are you claiming the QM has the ability to see exactly how much gold someone has when they put them in the brig? Visor claimed you got his number by locking him up and now he claims the same about me- he's wrong. So what do you say?

[Visor]

Are you claiming the QM has the ability to see exactly how much gold someone has when they put them in the brig? Visor claimed you got his number by locking him up and now he claims the same about me- he's wrong. So what do you say?

What?

The Quartermaster role gets the ability to see how much gold someone has when they are locked in the brig.
Double A got mine from locking me in.
I got yours from locking you in.

[Visor]

Xiahou, quit dodging my question.

Assuming I am wrong. How far am I off? How much gold do you have?

[Csargo]

And visor is also suspicious for doing the opposite?

Deviations from the norm are suspicious. Over/under I'd say.

I dislike the dog pile here, but there's little I can do to change it. How much gold does Xiahou have? Was it 150 or 200?

[Visor]

Deviations from the norm are suspicious. Over/under I'd say.

I dislike the dog pile here, but there's little I can do to change it. How much gold does Xiahou have? Was it 150 or 200?

What norm?

No, he has 200. I suggested he started with 150 due to the gold discrepancy.

[Ironside]

And how exactly does this make me French? Explain my moves from a French perspective, because I still don't see it.
@Xiahou, again, let's assume I am wrong. How far am I off?

You are controlling the narrative (often a power role tell) and are specifically targeting people that oppose you.

Had I been French, then of course the best course of action would be to oppose and annoy the most powerful man on the ship and who's fond of night killings. But opposing the dear leader makes you scum.

That said, I expect a three faction game, so I think you ravel in the opportunity to take out one from the rival faction.

[Double A]

Are you claiming the QM has the ability to see exactly how much gold someone has when they put them in the brig??

Yes.

[Xiahou]

Xiahou, quit dodging my question.

Assuming I am wrong. How far am I off? How much gold do you have?

What possible difference does it make? Either you know, or you do not. You do not. Why would it matter if I said I had 100 or 199? You're still wrong.

Yes.

Thusly, you are implicated by extension. Visor claims the same ability but he must not have it since he has the wrong number. Or is he being truthful about the ability and dishonest about the result to start a bandwagon?

[Visor]

You are controlling the narrative (often a power role tell) and are specifically targeting people that oppose you.

Had I been French, then of course the best course of action would be to oppose and annoy the most powerful man on the ship and who's fond of night killings. But opposing the dear leader makes you scum.

That said, I expect a three faction game, so I think you ravel in the opportunity to take out one from the rival faction.

I honestly don't recall you opposing or annoying me, I just thought you were scum.

What possible difference does it make? Either you know, or you do not. You do not. Why would it matter if I said I had 100 or 199? You're still wrong.

I want to see what you claim. Answer the question please.

[Visor]

Your continues insistence of dodging and not answering a simple question basically screams scum.

You claim I'm wrong but refuse to give a number to counter it.

Answer the question.

[Double A]

What possible difference does it make? Either you know, or you do not. You do not. Why would it matter if I said I had 100 or 199? You're still wrong.



Thusly, you are implicated by extension. Visor claims the same ability but he must not have it since he has the wrong number. Or is he being truthful about the ability and dishonest about the result to start a bandwagon?

Why would I make the inherently ridiculous coin counting part of throwing someone in the brig up?

[Csargo]

What norm?

No, he has 200. I suggested he started with 150 due to the gold discrepancy.

The average amount.

Also, Unvote:, Vote: Ituralde

10: Amount awarded for successfully protecting an individual (even if he wasn't attacked) with the minimum group size of 3.
7: Amount awarded for successfully protecting an individual (even if he wasn't attacked) with anything larger than the minimum group size.

I looked over the rules for different actions. He lied.

[Xiahou]

Your continues insistence of dodging and not answering a simple question basically screams scum.

You claim I'm wrong but refuse to give a number to counter it.

Answer the question.

Right, because if I gave you the right answer, regardless of the fact you already "know" it's 200 I wouldn't be scummy. Yet by not telling you what you claim to already know, I'm scum. That makes sense.

Your insistence that I tell you the correct number, while simultaneously insisting that you know it's 200 is quite bizarre. I don't know what your angle is, but I won't be telling you. Your unjustifiable insistence further confirms the rightness of my initial decision not to disclose the number.

[Visor]

I;m not insisting you tell me the correct number, I'm insisting you claim the number you have IF I'M WRONG.

We both know I'm not wrong, but you keep saying I am, so I want you to claim the number.

[Double A]

Is there a reason not to claim the exact number? Visor's just rounding. He told me and notjim the exact value in private.

The average amount.

Also, Unvote:, Vote: Ituralde



I looked over the rules for different actions. He lied.

yeah actually this seems like a solid lynch

[Xiahou]

Additionally, your initial claim for suspicion - too much gold, must be french - has been proven baseless. Others have confirmed that 200 gold (were that how much I actually had) could be entirely possible by this point in the game.

Your initial charges have been shown baseless, your "facts" are wrong and still you single-mindedly insist that I tell everyone how much gold I have, as though that would somehow clear my name. Why?

[Xiahou]

The average amount.

Also, Unvote:, Vote: Ituralde



I looked over the rules for different actions. He lied.

I'd love to see what possible explanation Ituralde could come up with to explain it away.

[Xiahou]

Is there a reason not to claim the exact number? Visor's just rounding. He told me and notjim the exact value in private.

Wait what? This is not what he's been claiming. You're saying that he's been lying to the ship this entire time?? Tell me the correct number. You've just further implicated yourself if you don't know the correct amount.